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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 15, 2020.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Why not just bring back polio while we are at it.
     
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    have a legit shot with measles
     
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    You haven't been paying attention, which is why you must stoop to using sarcastic bumper sticker logic. This "vaccine" is a therapeutic -- it's not a true vaccine like what cured us of polio. You can still receive and transmit the virus after being vaccinated. I thought people knew this by now.

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  6. Ubiquitin

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    The mRNA vaccines absolutely do reduce transmission.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788105
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2107717

    The defense's expert witnesses were known "vaccine skeptics".
     
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    Strawman. This wasn't my argument. And these aren't "vaccines". They are therapeutics. Useful and helpful, yes, but not vaccines.
     
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    Which authoritative definition of “vaccine” says it must give 100% immunity?
     
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    Clarence Thomas is a genius, a legend, and a brilliant legal scholar. I count him as a rare intellectual peer of mine.

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    The original IPV polio vaccine was only 80%-90% effective against paralytic polio and 60%-70% effective against all types of polio. https://www.who.int/immunization/polio_grad_ipv_effectiveness.pdf

    Even people with polio vaccines can still asymptomatically transmit the virus to susceptible individuals. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2486742/pdf/bullwho00417-0139.pdf

    The true power of vaccine is not to 100% eradicate infection or transmission in every case. It's to be able to vaccinate such a large percentage of the population over an extended amount of time that the virus cannot take hold and grow. Herd immunity is the key.
     
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    Pre-COVID Webster:
    vaccine: [noun] a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease.

    Post-COVID Webster:
    a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease

    These are absolutely vaccines by every definition. The COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. The mRNA vaccine platform is game changing going forward.
     
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    You lack a basic understanding of vaccine.
     
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    Actually the opposite is true. I have followed the news, and followed the recent shift in the CDC's statements on the "vaccine". I know that the virus can be transmitted and received by vaccinated people. I also know that the vaccine helps reduce the severity of the virus once infected. A treatment that helps reduce symptoms is a therapeutic, plain and simple. A vaccine is understood by the public at large to mean something that immunizes and prevents acquiring the virus. Having to take a vaccine every 6 months is completely inconsistent with the vaccines such as polio, measles, etc, that people foolishly compare to the COVID vaccine. The government did a disservice to the people by creating the misperception that vaccinated people couldn't get or transmit the virus. This, in turn, caused many vaccinated people to stop taking precautions. This led to more spread. Bad outcome.

    The vaccine should be one of SEVERAL efforts to combat the virus -- not the only one. Exercising, losing weight, getting outside in the sun, eating right, hygiene, and staying away from symptomatic sick people are hugely important as well. And if you have multiple health issues, like obesity and diabetes, then you should take 10x the precautions compared to healthy, beautiful, and virile people like myself.

    I know it is hard for many of you to change your position on a topic once new information comes out. And it is hard, if not impossible for many of you to challenge what you hear from the government or on the news. For your own betterment, I would encourage you to develop the ability to reason independently, question that status quo, and think critically. These skills will take you far in life.

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    Does a flu vaccine immunize and prevent acquiring the flu? Is a flu vaccine regarded by the public at large as a vaccine?

    It’s fair to point out that the polio vaccine is far more effective at preventing polio than current COVID vaccines are at prevent COVID. Your suggestion that a drug is not a vaccine unless it provides 100% immunity against infection is where the disagreement is.

    Spread increased after Delta arrived (which was far more contagious and likely to cause breakthroughs), and that was after messaging shifted that even vaccinated people needed to take more precautions (including distancing, effective masking, and being extra careful around those who are not vaxxed). I would blame the folks who were and have been explicitly telling people to not take those precautions rather than the label “vaccine” which is generally accepted by the populations of every country on this planet.
     
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    I'll chime in quickly...I never did before the variants appeared and still don't. Last year my thinking is I'm vaccinated and if the morons in the office don't want to get it, **** 'em it's their call if they get Covid and it kills them I'm not shedding a tear.
     
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