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  1. NewRoxFan

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    A number of important decisions coming out, including:

    btw, protecting all LGBT, not just gay...


    Deflates trump's sanctuary city suit...


    Declined a number of cases trying to expand gun rights, incluing...


    Timely but bad news...
     
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    Between the LGBT employment case and the DACA case, I suspect Roberts is terrified that Dems will pack the court. If the court rules the other way on both of those, court packing becomes a real possibility.
     
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    So, can historian or legal expert help explain this Administration Procedures Act that has been vexing trump and saving America from his insanity?


     
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    Interesting point. In a related topic, I saw a question about what could prevent mcconnell to try to rush/ram through a trump supreme court appointee during a lame duck session... and the answer was the same... the possibility of a Democrat attempt to pack the court.
     
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    I forwarded this to my son to see if it is an exciting enough topic for his youtube channel.
     
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    trump having his expected temper tweetrum...




     
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    ... and, the threat...



    Voting this insane tyrant out of office is the only solution...
     
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    Old people and the invalid can do it in Texas as well, this is about expanding it to everyone because of the virus.
     
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    From the guy who gave us Justice Boof.
     
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    I like how he doesn’t mention all of Americans just the conservatives and the people on the right. Someone want to tell him how many people are for DACA. What is it 80 percent. So he must be talking about the “other” part of the right
     
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    I am sure he has thought of it but there are a few things to consider. First, he is not a Trump appointee but a Bush one. He is part of the system that the President has railed on destroying for a decade. Roberts is also a big believer in appearance of legitimacy of government systems and safeguards. This is something that really crosses political boundaries. He would be ruling the exact same way if a democrat was in office calling into question the legitimacy of the various checks and balances in the government.

    When he was being vetted for the appointment he made several statements about the legacy of the court and his views on what the proper position of the court is in society. They were quite traditional. Everyone at the time believed he was not sincere in his comments, but people that knew him well after the fact have said that is not the case, that does view himself as a champion of insulating the court.

    The rare comments by Roberts about the President have made it clear that he does not like how the President has conducted himself as President or the damage done. Still, Roberts on certain issues is extremely conservative. I expect that Roberts will rule against Trump turning over his tax returns on a prompt basis and there will be other rulings the democrats do not like.

    Roberts has been fairly insulated for a USSCCJ. He has been on the court for 15 years now.... so his opinions on issues have evolved, as is usually the case except for extreme ideologues.
     
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    Oh he's made it very clear that he's only representing conservatives and specifically HIS conservatives. No one else.
     
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    While he isn't a Trump appointee, the biggest difference is that Roberts takes his perception (and the Court's) very seriously. Historically the court is identified by the Chief Justice so Roberts's legacy will always be tied to the Court's. And Roberts has repeatedly spoken about the his fears around the loss of trust and faith in the Court as an institution.

    There's a lot of good reporting around Roberts's vote on the ACA case in 2012. He switched his vote a month before the decision and came up with the convoluted theory that the individual mandate was a tax. That argument wasn't even made during the trial. Unlike the other Conservatives, Roberts has always paid attention to the media and he's tried to keep a pulse on the public's view of the court. Roberts's moderation has always been a strategic calculation. He's not Sandra Day O'Connor (or even Anthony Kennedy). Roberts has made other rulings that seem to be more about preserving the idea that the court is an independent and non-partisan entity.

    He's a Conservative who is mindful of the fact that if the Court just behaves totally like an arm of the Federalist Society, the Democrats will eventually gain enough public support for adding new justices and wiping out the Conservative majority. The fact that we're even contemplating court packing shows how bad things have gotten and Roberts doesn't want to be the Chief Justice that let that happen. And now with a deeply unpopular president, if the Court ruled the other way on these rulings (and the Trump tax return case), you could very well see Democrats openly call for adding justices to the court. And with a Senate majority in reach, this starts to look plausible.
     
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