Yes, and you bring up the "knee play" now, yet you conveniently forget about the botched interception call. You bring up about how we might now have scored after that play, yet you forget that USC DEFINITELY wouldn't have scored on theirs. Truth is, you have one very warped sense of football. As a former offensive lineman (I decided not to play in college because I was too small), I am very offended to hear you say that every offensive lineman holds. Maybe once a game. Maybe accidentally. Not on purpose and NOT nearly every play of the game. Believe it or not, those guys play the game with heart, and they care for the game. They don't care that they're not on the front page of the newspaper. They take their job as a privilige and hold pride in the fact that their running back ran for 150 yards or their quarterback threw for 300 yards (or both). Believe it or not, they are taught a certain technique and they follow that to a tee. Believe it or not, each lineman thinks almost as much or maybe even a little more than their quarterback on any given play. To put it bluntly, as others have said, that play had nothing to do with the final outcome of the game. Last night, UT was the better all around team, and it showed in the final score.
Well I won't deny SC has some beautiful scenary but trust me you would get annoyed with them pretty quickly. I've been parties with people from SC and they really are the University of Spoiled Children
Why are you guys bothering with certain trolling posts? Obviously there are folks who hate UT just as much as there are folks who love it, and venting their bitterness is one way to absorb the agony of what was really a magical game for anybody who likes college football.
Those girls look like they should have something other than "Football" written at the bottom of their shirts.... In other words, they look kind of slutty.
That being said, the fact is had any call gone a different (correct) way, the rest of the game is indeterminable as everything would have changed. The way the Texas kicker was kicking, a field goal was not a given had the knee play been called correctly. For all we know, had the knee play been called correctly, Texas may have gone on to a 48-21 victory or USC may have won 21-13. We'll never know.
I just watched Gameday. Lee Corso and herbstreet are two of the people. There were others but those are the only two I can think of right now
Not to take anything away from VY since he is clearly the best college QB I've seen in a long time or even the best college player ever, but don't you guys think Bush was some what underused and wasn't able to showcase his true capabilities in this game? He only had 13 freakin carries and USC pass-play too much. Yes, Lendale was running great but Reggie was the Heisman winner here and he should have run almost every play...thats what the people, media and ESPN wanted to see and expect. I think its USC coach's fault for not utilising Bush properly and b/c of this his rep might even taken a little hit as a player.
First of all, what does me talking about how people are overhyping Vince Young have anyhting to do with the knee play? The only times I've brought it up was to mention the bad officiating, NOT Vince's ability. slow down tiger, thats an awfully long path you're making from "all lineme hold" to "linemen are IQ deficient" 41-38. the Knee TD brought in 6 points. How does that not affect the game? Or are we doing the "they were inside the 10, give them the score" thing?
just a few quotes from bigtexxx's attempt to show others how they were wrong and misinformed and less intelligent than the "smart" money and bigtexxx who had the line at -8. and this is why you don't rely on others who you think are just "smarter". those "smart money" lines now have the dogs winning 5 of 7 outright in BCS championship games. the better team won. bigtexxx's attitude and smart money got owned.
^^^ i think they used him accordingly. texas was able to shut him down running the ball minus the one touchdown run of 26 yards. before that rushed the ball 12 times for 56 yards, averaging 4.6 yards a carry which is still good but the decision to lateral the football which led to the football had an impact on his game. he just didn't play the same afterwards, he was down on himself and wasn't the energizer that he usually is for that team. i think herbstreit on espn said the same thing, and to me it's true. usc was using him running to the outside and texas was just shutting that down pretty well, where texas struggled was up the middle and white was terrific up the middle. white out played bush as far as rushing the football goes. averaged over 6 yards a carry and had 3 td's, he was their best rushing option all night. too me i don't understand the heat that carroll is taking for not only the decision to go for the first down on that 4th and 2, but using white. if usc gets the first, the game is over, trojans win. and what had been texas' weakness all night on defense and who was rushing the ball best for usc? lendale white right up the middle. that was the correct decision, play call, and player used. they just didn't execute, texas made the stop when they needed it.
To me, it seems that you were talking about the botched call as a scapegoat for the game, not just bad officiating. Both calls were botched in an equally fair manner (if there is such a thing). That being said, if there is any debate about that, the botched call on the interception would have to be the more serious. You DEFINITELY take away a field goal, whereas with the knee call, they still could have score a touchdown, or they could have got a field goal, or nothing. Either way you slice it, if you make both calls correct, and everything goes the same, Texas still wins the game. The calls are no scapegoat. As far as the lineman thing goes, that was me just getting offended, and I apologize. As an undersized lineman (190 lbs. playing guard) who relied on technique, I am always offended when something like that comes up. Sorry.
I had a lot of money on both the Money line and the point spread. ALL on UT......even if UT did not score at the end, I still broke even. the 7 1/2 spread was ridiculous, USC's defense was not good enough to stop Young....the only question was wheter UT's defense could stop USC.....and they couldn't either. If these 2 teams played 10 times, I believe each would win 5 and all of them would be close. Da(lots of money at bodog)Dakota PS. The KNEE TD brought in 3 points...and the blown INT call gave USC 3 points....even stevens....
robbie....i think you speak for a whole lot of us. bigtexxx, you were wrong, it's okay. now come back and join us on clutchfans.
I too bet the same way you did DD, there was no way this game was going to be a blowout and even if they didnt score last night i woulda broke even at the end... the straight up win by UT hooked us up both my man
I did some snooping and found the 2004 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations book, and here's what I found (maybe it's changed for 2005, I don't know): Based on the fact that the ball popped simultaneously as the players butt hit the ground, it looks like the officials made the right call. However, the knee was clearly down on the Young pitch obviously, and you're forgetting the other play where the UT receiver clearly caught the ball, touched the ground with his feet, then the ball was stripped...and they called it incomplete. So, USC definitely got the short end of the stick as far as the officating went. Still there were several other reasons they lost, so you can't put it all on the officials. One of which was the fact that USC didn't recover anymore than one of the four fumbles UT had. That was HUGE! The other was just plain dumb mental mistakes by the USC coaches and players. Then of course, most notably, there was Vince.
