I'm asking now for the 3rd time fatcow - why do you refuse to respond? WHAT HAPPENED IN TIENANMEN SQUARE?
Hey RocketBurrito! What happened at Kent State and Chicago in 1968? Nothing is completely right or wrong, it is just defined by the point of view of the observer. I think a Social Democractic Republic will be the government of choice for a future civilized world, Chinese and American (think we don't tend toward that now? What about Social Security, Medicare, Progressive Taxation anti-monopoly regulation etc.) The thing that gives the US the sense of moral superiority is that since the beginning of the 20th century we as a nation have always supported freedom over totalitarianism. Think the will of the Chinese people is expressed through Mao? Hell no, the will of Mao was forced on the Chinese people. If the people in a democratic republic disagree with our leaders we can vote them out of office. Sure our elections offer limited choices and many of the strings are pulled behind the sceens but with a free press it's really hard to pull the wool over our eyes very long. Since World War 1 the US has not invaded any country with the intent of subjugating it or assimilating it. ( techically we did not invade Palestine ourselves and admittedly our support of Isreal misguided in 1948 but our judgment was colored by what the Jews had suffered in World War 2). We might appear to be exploiting another country's assets but the fact that the benefits of development do not reach the general population is usually a lack of the rule of law and corruption within the country's borders. Taiwan does not want to be sujugated by Bejing because they do not want their material successes drained by a totalitarian regime. We call that "no taxation without representation" and yes we have already fought and died for the concept. The United States should and must promote freedom and democracy everywhere if the world order is ever to advance. We should and must help nations overthrow dictators who rule by force and intimidation. If we don't who will? We either evolve into a peaceful, socialized planet or we will become an extinct planet. Chuck
The Taiwanese don't want to join China...for now. They are only experiencing a true democracy for the first time around ten years ago. Your government's shameless exploits of firing missles over Taiwan during their elections is why American carriers were deployed over the South China Sea. That was during the Clinton Administration who you said called the Chinese "our friends". Americans want China to be our friends, but they also want the will of the Taiwanese people to be choose on their own. If the Taiwanese wants to rejoin China by choice, then it is their choice and theirs alone. Just because one million Nationalists came over to Taiwan from China and imposed a dictatorship upon the whole mainland does not mean that every person on Taiwan supports the supposed "will of the Chinese peoples!!" Until your people and your government realizes that, the Taiwanese want no part of your silly games of putting up the face of a strong country in light of more than 60% of your population still living in abject poverty. By ignoring the will of the Taiwanese, you're treating them as second class citizens. And no group or nation wants to join a country like that.
Gene, I agree w/ much of your post but I'm not trying to compare & contrast this country's slaughter of students versus China's. If you didn't notice, Fatcow fails to respond to the question again & again. Why? You and I can sit here and yell to the high heavens that Kent State was murder - etc. w/out repercussions. Can Fatcow do the same on his end?
do u know where i live? do u know i have told u to serch my old thread cuz i dunt want to repeat myself n waste my time with u!
once again u are missing the main points, why did the american support the nationalist( taiwan) to reunite mainland with force?!! but its not ok if the communist side do it!! did u know when the american supported the nationlist government that oppress the communist party which was very poplular back then n they killed communist members!! do u realize peoples in taiwan are chinese too!! do u realize taiwan is part of china n it is not a nation or race!! they are chinese!
u see why being so hyprocrite , when the original purposese to suppor the nationalist chinese was becuz the fear of communism ! the will fo chinese people back then was a communist party n nationalist part joint government! but american still supported the nationalist side to kill the communist party which was the will of majority of the chinese peoples back then! why now all the sudden now clain we are protecting taiwan becuz we protecting the freedom of the chinese in taiwan when the original purpose of protecting the nationalist wasnt this!!
Honestly , if anyone here willing to look at the history of china from 1910-1949 n tell me how is it protecting n supporting the will of chinese peoples by supporting a very conrrupted nationalist government which oppress the opposing party!!
So why not compare the suppression of opposing parties that ended in 1949 with the political suppression that exists today?
cohen, i am not saying the communist party are better or whos is right or wrong ! i am saying why the american have double standard, why they can support a nationalist government jsut becuz they are pro-american n then claim that they are supporting the freedom of the chinese again can u answer me this question why is it ok for the nationalist side to reunit china with force but not ok with communist side! these are the truths, we all can be baise , but this is the truths , this is why most people feel very piss off when the american interfer with our taiwan issue !
The Nationalists for 50 years dreamed of the day they would take back China. Americans supported the Nationalists, but nothing the Americans did ever constituted taking back China back by force. We never gave Taiwan nuclear weapons. We stopped Taiwan's nuclear program when they pursued it in the 70's. After Nixon's "ping pong" diplomacy, it was clearly about the defense of Taiwan. And now after the democratic elections, it is about the defence is Taiwan even more than ever.
can u be more educated about taiwan before u answer these questions , there is no such ethinic groups or tribe as twainese, the majority of the chinese that live in the island before 1949 were fukienese , they are chinese speak chinese (one of the 3000 dialects of chinese) n writng chinese words too! u see u so ignorant to actually think n want to beliver that chinese in taiwane are not chinese to support ur theory! the communist side try to reunit taiwan since day 1 !
the american gave nationalist everything they needed to fight both communist n japanese , but they lost so they flee taiwan, if they won it will becuz of the support of american to nationlist side to reunite china with force!!!
we didnt give taiwan or just let foreigners to set ports, we were force to signed unfiar treaty!! like the one that gave up hongkong to british n macau to portuagal!
for u to say the chinese in taiwan are not chinese or taiwnese is like saying peoples in shaghai are not chinese since they speak shaghai dialect n have their own food or saying peoples in hongkong are not chinese but cantonese since we speak cantonese n have cantonese style of food! silly!
u know what ,for supporitng their theory n ideas since they said the nationalist was very very bad regime!! is it wrong that the american supportted this very very bad natinalist regime for many years!!??
the american actually supported the nationalist regime that oppress the local taiwnese people for many years
