Then why is it that this article states that the European powers are softening their stance for a resolution for war on Iraq? http://www.iht.com/articles/82311.html Of course the Chinese doesn't have to worry about N. Korea but the S. Koreans and Japanese do. Isn't that why the Chinese "shipped 20 tons of highly specialized chemicals used in extracting plutonium from spent reactor fuel?" http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_7-1-2003_pg4_7 You really want to start a war with your chicken **** diplomacy? Fine, let's arm S. Korea and your friend Japan and make this interesting.
invisible fan, my main point is american fighting in iraq is becuz of the oil and the iraq is very weak now , those excuse like weapoons mass of destrution , torture children , stravation are all bull**** , people are hungry , weappons of mass destrution and even nuclear weapoons n a big threat to the world more than iraq why not attack them n rebuild a democratic govenment for the north korean, becuz the american knows north korea ,unlike iraq now, is too strong to bully around and there is no friking oil!!! I, personally dont care about japan having nuclear weapoons , and would like to see the american to support japanese having some nuclear weapoons beucz all of asia always remeber what happan in world war 2 so american will lose it support from most asian countries if they support japan for anything like allowing them nuclear weapoons!
Americans have not fought in Iraq. Americans are not at war with Iraq yet. Even now there's a strong chance the UN will goto war with Iraq. Of course it's about the oil. A madman in the position of all that oil is dangerous. The whole UN knows that oil is a big part of it. And the nations of the UN needs the oil more than Americans do. War! War! War! Is that your biggest argument? Do you realize who foots the bill for reconstruction? The Iraqi people can use its oil to rebuild their country. The North Koreans have nothing. North Korea is strong? North Korea has nothing to lose! America is trying to protect their allies from having their cities bombed. Holding Seoul at knifepoint is not my idea of "strong". Americans doesn't have to "support" or "give" Japan nukes. They can make it on their own. They already know how. Sure, blame America, but Japan isn't going to nuke us, just like North Korea isn't going to nuke China. Only who is going to play the role of America as "super cop" in this case?
Jeff, I would definitely be AGAINST renaming Iraq anything with Pepsi in the title. I'm a Coke man, myself. "United Sunni Pan Middle Eastern Gulf Kurd Oil Shiite States of Coca Cola" is catchy and has something for everyone FD Khan, Do you realize how ridiculous it is to connect Israel and Iraq? That is EXACTLY what Saddam does. The simple FACT, yes FACT, is that Israel could and would CRUSH Iraq if the US was not there and Iraq ever threatened Israel. It is just so silly to say we are possibly intervening because of Israel. In addition, you are 'so sick of hearing about' the poor Iraqis and you really think it is about oil. Can't it be both? Can't both be true: Iraqis are under a brutual dictator who is committing genocide on his own people, and who constitutes a threat to the world's oil supply? A threat that grows ever larger with the spectre of WMDs? Please explain to us how Saddam is NOT a threat to the world's oil supply when he has ALREADY EMPIRICALLY PROVEN himself to be one with invasions of neighboring oil states... Also, people consistently say 'why didn't the US intervene in Rwanda (or insert country here). I say the explanation is simply that we had already intervened in a non-strategically valuable state in Africa (Somalia) and had a terrible experience. Very Vietnam like. We went with good intentions and basically the people did not want to move from the warlords. They felt their nationalistic impulses more than their common sense, even as they were decending into literal anarchy (ironically anti nation-state) and so we were not really ready to intervene again and face a similar situation. In Bosnia and Kosovo, we had no real strategic interest, but the population definitively wanted our help, and we did. In Iraq there is an intersection of strategic (oil) and humanitarian interests. However, saying as you do, that lack of humanitarian intervention elsewhere negates humanitarian interests in Iraq is ridiculous. Silly fatfatcow, Tricks are for kids. It is true that culturally Chinese (mainly the Han who dominate and oppress all the rest of the cultures within what we now know as the PRC) have a greater fear of fragmentation than they do of oppression, but that hardly makes it 'right.' It is the most nonsensical of arguments to propose that an authoritarian regime is superior to a democratic one. Whether you are Chinese, Japanese, or have dirty knees, people should have a say in their own governance. Have authoritarian figures maintain internal control with fear and oppression is never desirable. If the PRC cannot keep its outlying provinces except through force then you should consider why is it desirable to keep them at all? In addition you have little understanding of what East Asia will look like with a nuclear Japan and S Korea. That will not be a desirable or stable situation. Generally on S Korean protests, I wonder if everyone has seen the pictures of the S Korea veteran kickin the crap out of the students chanting 'out with the US?' Student are more likely to fall on the naive side and less likely to appreciate the implications of such a move. The veterans remember almost their entire country overrun by the communists and how the US foot soldier fought side by side with them, and died side by side with them. Rhetoric is one thing, but I believe it is unlikely that S Korea will ask the US forces to leave anytime soon. If they do so, then we should. Until then there is no doubt the people of S Korea and Japan see American involvement as a stabilizing force.
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I guess it was all Israel's fault when a untimely, yet somewhat accurate article is printed in Africa causing a radical group of Muslims to go ballistic over a f-ing beauty contest?
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hayesstreet, yes everything american do is for good of human race on earth, everycountry in the world need american to teach them how to run a country need the american help, yes the amercain do everything moraly right but half of the world popluation dislike them , strange???!!!! yes u should think that america empire are the greatest n your govenment do nothing wrong just dont be suprise when u travel to other places in the world u are hated by so many others , yes all those muslims , the communist chinese , the cubans the north korean, the pakistan and too many others all are brainwash by their corrupted evil government to dislike or hate american , yes most of them dont have a brain to think properly like the american do!!!! please help the people in iraq, iran n north korea for a better government , they need the amercian help badly , also the chinese in china are suffering and china being a major threat to the world they need the american to overthrown the evil corrupted communist government . please dont response to me i am silly i dunt like to hear bull**** also i have always wonder why the chinese are such a threat to the world n its neightbor why no groups of any kind target the chinese in the world or no hi jet than crash into one of the building in shanghai or hongkong or no suicde bomb attack to chinese people, or any china related places???!!!
Fatfat in the last two weeks of your rambling in these political threads you've yet to make even one good point.
genius, No groups of any kind target the chinese? Interesting, but FALSE. "Two episodes at the turn of the 1990s spurred Uighur nationalists into their current state of militancy. First, the ignominious Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan suggested that a lone Muslim people struggling against an infidel invader could emerge victorious. The Afghan experience intensely influenced many young Uighur political entrepreneurs, and its symbolic power was eclipsed only by the second event--the serendipitous rise to statehood of the Central Asian republics after the Soviet collapse; seeing that their fellow Turkic Muslims of Central Asia now had their own sovereign lands, Uighur proto-separatists now brandished archetypes for their own prospective nation-state. Since the early 1990s, Uighurs’ increasingly militant demands for independence have translated into a proliferation of separatist literature, numerous protests and riots, selected assassinations and kidnappings of both Uighur and Han Communist Party officials, and infrequent but costly bombing campaigns that in February 1997 extended into Beijing itself--the first incidence of terrorist violence in the capital city since 1949. In response to this burgeoning separatist trend, China has engaged in widespread tactics of repression, stifling public expressions of cultural, religious, and ethnic identity, as well as most forms of political dissent. Thousands of suspected Uighur militants have been jailed and hundreds executed." Notice the 'In Beijing part...' The Muslims really LOVE the Han Chinese as you can see.
Interesting, that's why there were Iranians demonstrating publicly in huge crowds in SUPPORT of America? That's why the CHINESE in Tianamen build paper mache Statue of Liberty replicas? And I guess you think those people in Iraq and N Korea really dig their totalitarian leaders? Interesting. What I find MOST interesting, jackass, is that you talk talk talk about how cool these totalitarian regimes are but where do YOU live? It isn't under a dictatorial boot, is it, slick? Maybe you could take the word of someone who experienced it FIRST HAND, like your father, who DOES NOT hold your views?
Where was that quote from, Mango? I was just curious. The world seems to be getting more unstable by the day. The time we are in right now reminds me a great deal of the '30's. There were large "powerful" countries concerned about their economies, who thought a large war was unthinkable because the memories of WW-1 were still fresh. They dabbled in different parts of the world... maintaining or expanding their empires, then they were astonished when the cataclysm struck. Poor leadership and indifferent populations played a huge role. So did hubris. There's a lot of this going on now. I'm very concerned about where this country is headed. So are our friends. And they have THEIR muddled leaders and people. I worry for my children.
as much as u want to believe that other triebes are not chinese or u think if there is any differents between hans n other tribes they are all chinese !!! its not like the racial problem in american between white n black peoples! there is terrorist group in china but those are chinese muslims , so its internal problem . well chinese can travel to most places in the world without any fear unlike u an american got to watch your back almost everywhere u go !!!! even at your own places nowadays!!! yes the muslims love the chinese just see some of china best friend are iran( muslim country), pakistan(muslim country)
Israel isn't a Theocracy anymore than the United States is. The Taliban was a Theocracy. Iran wants to be a Theocracy. But the Israeli government is NOT run according to religious law. And there are Arab members of the Israeli government. The thing is if Israel granted citizenship to all of the Palestinians then it would pretty much cease to exist and would become an Arab state. They have a right to keep their state alive. You keep comparing Israel to people like the KKK and Milosevic. Give me a break! Israel is a democracy, people vote for their leaders, and they have rights. Why don't you ever point out the type of governmental systems and rights that the Arabs have? What type of system did Arafat run? You act like the Israelis are religious extremists. Most are pretty secular and modern, they have voted for many liberal governments over the years. Ehud Barak was just as open to giving up more and more land to Arafat- guess what happened? Sharon is a warmonger? Calling people names isn't an argument.
What about Tiannemen Sqaure? Are you free to protest against your own government? And you seem happy that Americans have to "watch their back" these days. But it seems like you guys have a terrorist problem as well, it doesn't matter whether it is internal. And the US isn't trying to force a democracy (Taiwan) to do something it doesn't want to do.
how many of students were there in tuanamen square , do they represent a billion chinese??? how about the 30 million communist members in china that dedicate their life to the communist party n support it ,are they all idiots??? u say i am all talk talk talk have u ever been to any of these countries ??? have u ever live in one to know what it is like ???my dad dont like communism becuz he is a business man no other reasons! watching tv n actually been there is a big different!! now how do u know all the north koreans or iraqie dont want their governmet jsut becuz u see it from the news in your country or told by ur govenment official or ur president told u so to gain your support is that mean so?? how would anyone know what all the north korean or these iraq think anyway!!! u think everyone that think america is wrong is wrong is your problem
i have one question , if a country let say iran turn in to a democratic country n all the iranian voted for a leader that is anti american, what will be the excuse for the u.s government to overthrown it??? is democracy the solution to all??? if the kkk leader is democratic elected is that mean this is right? was nazi germany a democratic country too???
You actually have several. Good point. We would have to critique the leader's toenail length, clearly. Not according to DEVO. Sometimes people want freedom from choice. I honestly believe that. Look at how many people vote in the US. I assume that's rhetorical, but um, NO. Within months after Hitler had obtained the chancellorship, there was no more voting, I believe. If you mean to say that people voted for the Nazi party, then that's true to an extent.
Originally posted by fatfatcow how about the 30 million communist members in china that dedicate their life to the communist party n support it ,are they all idiots??? If history if any indicator, then yes. The success of Democracy over Communism is no longer in much dispute. is democracy the solution to all??? A working Democracy fulfills the will of the people. What's better than that?
Tiannemen Sqaure, i really want to say this but its not related to the topic thread . majority of chinese popuplation in china are famers. for thousnads of years chinese farmer all they wanted is a good crops n no natural disater llike flooding n etc. they want their stromach fill, this is what the communist governemt have bought to them again . most chinese are happy cuz they get their share of land to farm n they are not hungry no more!!! this is why mao is loved by so many chinese even what he did wrong in the cultureal revolution, he care about the farmer the most! back in 1989 those student protest cuz they want a politcal reforms , but u cant rush it n they were immature and unorganize , still a threat to the central governemt , that is why whatever happaned in june 4th !! but u cant say the chinese government are wrong for whatever they did becuz do u really think these angry students can run a country with a billion peoples, china back then just got stable n people life are getting better , if these students did overthrown the government everythings have to start again n this will do no good for the chinese, once the governemt is down there will be no police no laws ,military general turn into region warload , crime everywhere , the central government did what was nessisary to regain control n orders of the society!
