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US to Hold Iraqi Oil Fields in Trust for Iraqi People

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MadMax, Jan 22, 2003.

  1. rezdawg

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  2. JohnnyBlaze

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    Lets start with drilling rights. which is also part of the reason Russia and France are against this war. It means beaucoup dollars wiped out. Of course Russia (which is in a bad condition economically) can be persuaded ;) to play along.

    Where as before American oil companies were completely shutout of the 2nd largest oil deposits in the world. You can bet after the war they'll be sitting pretty.

    If you believe this has nothing to do with oil i really feel sorry for you.



    NY Times - February 3, 2002


    Tempted by Oil, Russia Draws Ever Closer to Iraq

    By MICHAEL WINES

    MOSCOW, Feb. 2 — President Bush may have plenty of reasons why Russia, his new ally in the war on terrorism, should stop cozying up to Iraq, one of the states he sees as part of an "axis of evil."

    But Leonid Fedun has 20 billion reasons why Russia should not.

    Mr. Fedun is vice president for development at Lukoil, Russia's biggest oil company. He oversees a 23- year contract to develop Iraq's West Qurna oil field — 667 million tons of crude, a half-million barrels a day. It is potentially, he says, a $20 billion moneymaker.

    But only potentially. Thanks to United Nations sanctions on Iraq, Lukoil has not pumped a drop from West Qurna since it won drilling rights in 1997. With the United States now talking openly of ousting President Saddam Hussein of Iraq from power, Mr. Fedun wonders whether Lukoil ever will pay off.

    "If the Americans start military operations against Iraq," he said, "we may lose a contract, and American oil companies will come in our place. No one has ever said the opposite."

    For two nations that have jointly pledged to stem the spread of terror, weapons and the despots who would use them, agreeing on what to do about Mr. Hussein is the first serious test of their wobbly new friendship, with pragmatism and suspicion rife on both sides.

    "I'm very critical of Russian supporters of Saddam," said Andrei Kozyrev, former President Boris N. Yeltsin's first foreign minister and one of the United States' more consistent supporters here. "But speaking about Washington, it's a very, very awkward, very simplistic and inflexible approach they take toward Iraq. There's a lot of room for improvement."

    Some American experts are no less confounded. "Do I want to curry favor with the Iraqi regime?" said Eugene B. Rumer, a State Department policy strategist in the Clinton administration who is now a Russia scholar at the National Defense University in Washington. "Or do I want to maintain a solid relationship with the United States and, to a lesser degree, with Europe? The answer to that ought to be fairly obvious."

    Even in the wake of Sept. 11, Russia has clung to its position as Iraq's chief protector against new United Nations sanctions or a new American attack.

    The Kremlin also wants an end to British and American patrols of the no-flight zones imposed after the Persian Gulf war to prevent Mr. Hussein's jets from bombing Iraq's Kurdish and Shiite minorities. Russia argues that the United Nations never specifically approved such zones.

    Mr. Rumer argues — and some Russians agree — that the Kremlin has let Russia's best interests in Iraq take a back seat to the agendas of a powerful oil industry and a bureaucracy still nursing cold war resentments.

    For its part, however, the United States has done almost nothing to allay Russia's very real fear: that if Mr. Hussein goes, Russia's multibillion-dollar stake and its influence in Iraq will go with him.

    Baghdad still owes Russia at least $8 billion from the days of the cold war when, as a client state, Iraq outfitted its military with armor bought on Soviet credit. Then there are billions of dollars in oil contracts with Russian companies, and billions of dollars more trading that could be done with a pro-Russian government in Baghdad.

    The American silence on Russia's actual and potential stake in Iraq only solidifies the conviction of some Russians that the White House cannot be trusted to play fairly, new friendship or not.

    So far, Mr. Hussein has played deftly on America's rage and Russia's fears. He gave Russia by far the largest share of Iraq's contracts last year — $1.3 billion — under the United Nations oil-for-food program, which allows Iraq to sell oil to buy supplies to help Iraqi civilians.

    In late September, days after President Vladimir V. Putin cast Russia's lot in with the West's war on terrorism and the White House began expressing its concern about Iraq, Baghdad announced plans to award Russian companies another $40 billion in contracts as soon as United Nations sanctions were lifted.

    Iraq also has courted Russian politicians with trips and other inducements; Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the outspoken nationalist, has made several visits.

    "It's safe to say that there is a strong pro-Iraqi lobby in Russia," said Alexei V. Mitrofanov, a member of Parliament from Mr. Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democratic Party. "Just as there is a strong pro-Taiwan lobby in the United States."

    Last week, as American strategists pondered the prospects for Mr. Hussein's demise, Iraq's deputy prime minister, Tariq Aziz, was in Moscow. He returned to Moscow the following week after talks in China, but left without meeting any senior officials.

    Russia's foreign minister, Igor S. Ivanov, said during the earlier visit that Russia and Iraq saw eye to eye on questions of extremism and terrorism and that the American- backed sanctions against Iraq were counterproductive and should be lifted. More pointedly, he said Russia solidly opposed "spreading or applying the international antiterror operation to any arbitrarily chosen state, including Iraq."

    The Kremlin offers some diplomatic arguments for its policy: that the United States has overstepped the United Nations mandate on Iraq and that it is unproven that Iraq is developing weapons of mass destruction or supporting terrorism.

    Russia pointedly does not say that Mr. Hussein is a friend, because he is not. "There are no emotional bonds between the Russians and the Iraqis," said Dmitri Trenin, a top expert on Russian foreign policy at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Moscow. "It's not Yugoslavia or Serbia. You have to talk about interests — very specific, very easily identifiable interests."

    Those interests are largely in places like West Qurna, one of the world's largest oil deposits.

    Soviet wildcatters and engineers had probed the West Qurna deposit earlier, sinking 300 wells in 1979 alone in preparation for pumping oil.

    Iraq's war with Iran halted work in the 1980's, and Mr. Hussein's invasion of Kuwait kept it at a standstill in the 1990's. Iraq revived the project in the mid-1990's as tensions over the presence of United Nations weapons inspectors inside Iraq were peaking.

    The new production-sharing agreement gave Lukoil rights to more than half of all oil pumped there during the life of the contract. Iraq got another 25 percent. But the Kremlin got a stake, too: two Russian government agencies gained another quarter of the oil rights as part of a scheme to repay some of Iraq's Soviet debt.

    Russia was explicit that it would not pump oil until sanctions were lifted. But Iraq was not without leverage: in November 2000, Mr. Hussein threatened to void the West Qurna deal for nonperformance.

    That December, the Kremlin sent a letter to Baghdad proposing an end to the no-flight zones and a deal in the United Nations to lift economic sanctions against Iraq in exchange for the return of weapons monitors.

    The Kremlin continues to pursue that deal, and although Iraq rejected it again last week, Mr. Aziz's visits here and in Beijing almost certainly center on reaching some United Nations accord that would stave off American military action.

    No one professes to know where Mr. Putin really stands regarding Mr. Hussein. Among experts here and in the United States, there is a growing sense that the Kremlin's control of its Iraq policy is being taken over by Russian industry and the Soviet holdovers, in both the bureaucracy and Parliament, who still see Iraq as part of a grand game to thwart American influence.

    Equally, it is not clear whether the United States cares about Russia's stake in Iraq.

    Experts on both sides say a savvy Kremlin almost surely would grab any American compromise that offered reassurances on Russia's economic interests and unpaid debt in exchange for Moscow's help in ratcheting up the pressure on Mr. Hussein.

    Even Mr. Fedun of Lukoil, holding a $20 billion contract he cannot execute, suggests that his firm might welcome American oil companies in a venture to spread the risks of the West Qurna project — if only the sanctions would end.

    "I don't see why one can't make sure that those interests are taken good care of," said Mr. Trenin of the Carnegie Endowment. "I think this calls for a trade-off."

    http://www.freeserbia.net/Articles/2002/Iraq.html
     
  3. rezdawg

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    Finally!! Someone who understands. Thank you.
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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  6. Mr. Clutch

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    Dang, I wish the edit button worked.

    Anyways, why would Bush want to help out American oil companies by waging a risky war??? That makes no sense. I thought Bush wanted the oil and money for himself. Please help me out here.
     
  7. rezdawg

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    Im guessing that you are trying to increase you post count. While you are at it, you can go ahead and admit that Bush may get something out of this.
     
  8. rezdawg

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    He obviously cant take it all for himself. But, he can make an agreement with US companies for a little payback for himself.
     
  9. NJRocket

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    pick a side....form ONE opinion..and stick to it....its easier to argue your point that way
     
  10. NJRocket

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    I thought at last check that it was only 10% about Bush not wanting Oil. Remember, Big Brother is watching.
     
  11. rezdawg

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    Dude, you miss the point, airhead.
     
  12. NJRocket

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    The POINT my friend is that the US has said that they will hold the Iraqi oil in trust for the Iraqi people.

    I suppose Colin Powell has no clue about who you are and what you know either huh? He must be misinformed.

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  13. rezdawg

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    You actually think that the US will not benefit from this??? Are you that naive??

    You think that Bush and Powell are the most moral people in the world and they skip to work with a pink polo sweater wrapped around their necks. They are human just like every other person in the world. Their morals arent greater or less than the average person. If they can gain from something while covering it up, they will.
     
  14. NJRocket

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    I didnt say that. I am simply reiterating my earlier statement (something you should try once in a while) that this war is not all about oil and it certainly has nothing to do with Bush's personal portfolio.
     
  15. MadMax

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    this is getting ridiculous...and laughable quite frankly. you've gone from "bush wants the oil" and some imperialistic type conspiracy theory to the us will receive some benefit from this.

    i think that's why NJ said, "pick a side and go with it."
     
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    Rez...just a question...do you believe that Powell is blatantly lieing when he talks of this trust for the Iraqi people?
     
  17. MadMax

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    what does this mean??? so bush's henchmen seize the oil and sell it directly to US companies, with a little kickback for Bush, himself?? do you realize how silly you sound? i'm not trying to pile on, but geez.
     
  18. rezdawg

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    US oil companies will find their economic status greatly increase as a result of a takeover of Iraqi oil fields. You dont think that they really want Bush to go after Iraq? If they do, you dont think Bush gets a little something something??

    Stop living in a fantasy world.
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    He's not going to need the money. Former Presidents do very well. Waging a war for that?
     
  20. MadMax

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    you have a government conspiracy implied in every post for the last two days, and we're the ones living in fantasy world?
     

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