US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies'

There's no such thing as Christian extremists, silly.

 

1) What makes you think they are Christian?
2) Did the article state anywhere that they killed out of a religious motivation?

 

"My god has a bigger dick than your god..."

 

Please turn the smug volume down a couple of notches.

 

Rolling Stone has come out with an article along with some pictures and videos about the US Platoon that deliberately killed Afghan civilians and collected fingers as trophies.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327

 

I am so ridiculously offended by this. I don't have many words here for post, frankly.

 

The comment section is pretty disgusting to read.

So many apologists making bull**** excuses for those men.

 

Likewise. Although I have a very bitter feeling of "this was expected".

 

What will you think will happen when you send the lowest common denominator to war?

it's a volunteer Army and guess what? Smart, mature and morally conscious people don't apply very often.

 

I believe this theory was debunked (by Ottomaton?) in a recent thread.

Playing games with human life. What can you really say to that.

 

Whack. Poor 15 year old kid. You wonder how many crimes our soldiers get away with worldwide. Everyone needs to be held accountable in this case.

It's expected when you send out kids and armor them with guns.

 

The saddest part is the military is covering up for them because these types of news will hurt recruitment.....and that's the only reason.

 

They cover it up because it's fuel for the enemy. It boosts recruitment for the Taliban.

 

Page four of that link: One idea, proposed half in jest, was to throw candy out of a Stryker vehicle as they drove through a village and shoot the children who came running to pick up the sweets. According to one soldier, they also talked about a second scenario in which they "would throw candy out in front and in the rear of the Stryker; the Stryker would then run the children over."

I don't care how much "jest" went into that. That's messed up beyond belief.

 

Does not surprise me one bit. Does anyone really expect moral conduct from american/british/western soldiers? You have to wonder how many other incidents like this havent come out yet?

I cringe when I think about the violations commited againt Afgani and Iraqi women by the american soldiers. They are raping and killing every chance they get.

 

Case of reefer madness obviously. Hopefully we can get the punishments for smoking drugs raised.

 

and it's all bullshiite.

link won't work because CF obscures the word "****" in the article title.

Calling BULL**** on Rolling Stone

29 March 2011

Seldom do I waste time with rebutting articles, and especially not from publications like Rolling Stone. Today, numerous people sent links to the latest Rolling Stone tripe. The story is titled “THE KILL TEAM, THE FULL STORY.” It should be titled: “BULL****, from Rolling Stone.”

The story—not really an “article”—covers Soldiers from 5/2 Stryker Brigade Combat Team (SBCT) in Afghanistan. A handful of Soldiers were accused of murder. It does in fact appear that a tiny group of rogues committed premeditated murder. I was embedded with the 5/2 SBCT and was afforded incredible access to the brigade by the Commander, Colonel Harry Tunnell, and the brigade Command Sergeant Major, Robb Prosser. I know Robb from Iraq. Colonel Tunnell had been shot in Iraq.

The brigade gave me open access. I could go anywhere, anytime, so long as I could find a ride, which never was a problem beyond normal combat problems. If they had something to hide, it was limited and I didn’t find it. I was not with the Soldiers accused of murder and had no knowledge of this. It is important to note that the murder allegations were not discovered by media vigilance, but by, for instance, at least one Soldier in that tiny unit who was appalled by the behavior. A brigade is a big place with thousands of Soldiers, and in Afghanistan they were spread thinly across several provinces because we decided to wage war with too few troops. Those Soldiers accused of being involved in (or who should have been knowledgeable of) the murders could fit into a minivan. You would need ten 747s for the rest of the Brigade who did their duty. I was with many other Soldiers from 5/2 SBCT. My overall impression was very positive. After scratching my memory for negative impressions from 5/2 Soldiers, I can’t think of any, actually, other than the tiny Kill Team who, to my knowledge, I never set eyes upon.

The online edition of the Rolling Stone story contains a section with a video called “Motorcycle Kill,” which includes our Soldiers gunning down Taliban who were speeding on a motorcycle toward our guys. These Soldiers were also with 5/2 SBCT, far away from the “Kill Team” later accused of the murders. Rolling Stone commits a literary “crime” by deceptively entwining this normal combat video with the Kill Team story. The Taliban on the motorcycle were killed during an intense operation in the Arghandab near Kandahar City. People who have been to the Arghandab realize the extreme danger there. The Soviets got beaten horribly in the Arghandab, despite throwing everything including the Soviet kitchen sink into the battle that lasted over a month. Others fared little better. To my knowledge, 5/2 and supporting units were the first ever to take Arghandab, and these two dead Taliban were part of that process.

The killing of the armed Taliban on the motorcycle was legal and within the rules of engagement. Law and ROE are related but separate matters. In any case, the killing was well within both the law and ROE. The Taliban on the back of the motorcycle raised his rifle to fire at our Soldiers but the rifle did not fire. I talked at length with several of the Soldiers who were there and they gave me the video. There was nothing to hide. I didn’t even know about the story until they told me. It can be good for Soldiers to shoot and share videos because it provides instant replay and lessons learned. When they gave me the video and further explained what happened, I found the combat so normal that I didn’t even bother publishing it, though I should have because that little shooting of the two Taliban was the least of the accomplishments of these Soldiers, and it rid the Arghandab of two Taliban.

Some people commented that our Soldiers used excessive force by firing too many bullets. Hogwash. And besides, they were trying to kill each other. Anyone who has seen much combat with our weak M-4 rifles realizes that one shot is generally not enough, and the Taliban were speeding at them on a motorbike, which very often are prepared as suicide bombs. If that motorcycle had been a bomb, as they often are, and got inside the group of Soldiers and exploded, they could all have been killed. Just yesterday, in Paktika, three suicide attackers came in, guns blazing, and detonated a huge truck bomb. Depending on which reports you read, about twenty workers were killed and about another fifty wounded.

In the video, our guys would have been justified in firing twice that many bullets, but at some point you are wasting ammo and that is a combat sin. The Soldiers involved in that shooting told me that the Taliban on the back may have pulled the AK trigger, but the loaded AK did not fire because the Taliban didn’t have a round in the chamber. Attention to detail. At least one also had an ammunition rack strapped across his chest.

This could go on for pages, but Rolling Stone is not worth it, and thrashing them might only build their readership. I’ve found in the past that boycotts work. I led a boycott against one magazine and it went bankrupt. It’s doubtful that Rolling Stone will go bankrupt for its sins, but you can cost them money not by boycotting their magazine, but by boycotting their advertisers. That hurts. Just pick an advertiser whose products you already buy, boycott it, and tell the advertiser why you are not buying their product.

Now I’ve got to get back to work.

 

Michael Yon is the best war reporter of his time.

 

calm down there buddy... a news article here and there about a certain group of sick freaks out of a pool of 2 million(number of service members) does not mean we go rape and kill every chance we get. There were ZERO incidents of that happening with our unit and our 7 month deployment in Marjah, Afghanistan.

Yet why are there no articles about how we built a school for boys AND GIRLS in the village while being shot at or paving roads or installing running water or rebuilding mosques??? Why has no one posted that on the D&D? Does it spin a too positive light on us?