I'm not talking about drug dealers, Drug dealers are a problem, but squirrels can be a problem too. Many things such as drunk driving, and smoking can be a problem...Al Gore is a problem, those who oppose the second admendment rights are a problem,...Far left liberal mindset is a real problem...But for all these things mentioned above there is greater threat to worldwide balance and freedom... That is the terrorists...In a post 9/11 world, the realization is to go for the throat with greater aggressiveness...During uneventful times, the eye must be on their methods, electronically among other means...Inward we must be greater vigilant and challenging on suspecting actions. ...Terrorists are worldwide enemy number 1. Israel must continue to attack and go for the throat. Anything less is unacceptable!
The point is that just because a problem isn't eliminated doesn't mean the nation where the problem is is a w**** HOST. Otherwise the U.S. is a w**** HOST to drug dealers. Your logic is faulty. Post 9/11 shouldn't mean that we abandon reason, and throw logic out the window.
Missing on the list: Luis Posada Carriles the Cuban terrorist and his associates in south Florida, the hypocrite right-wing government that hosts, harbors, and absolves him ... and the poster who keeps ignoring his terrorist crimes
What do I know? LOL. I only talked about the Jewish people I know, and I am glad that I didn't hear some of the nonsense here from them. Moreover, when I had discussion with them, they respected me and themselves by dealing with facts and logic, instead of playing games of word. If you weren't sure what I was saying, because of my poor English, you would not have understood whether it makes sense. Keep it civil or not, be logical first, please.
I'm interested in your opinion of the interview I put up on the last page where the Hezbollah leader indicates the Lebanese government knew and tacitly approved the strike on Israel. That would indicate the Lebanese government is not the innocent bystander you portray. I do have another problem with your argument though. A state has to have some accountability for a terrorist group openly basing itself out of its territory.
It's obvious that the vast majority of lebanon support hezbollah, they also consider them liberators not terrorists. i suppose if the lebanease goverment was accused of giving the green light to hezbollah they would justify the operation by indicating that they still have Lebanese POWs in Isreal .
The interview is certainly worth consideration. The govt. has not been friendly with Hezbollah in the past and the two working together might justify Israel's attacks but also prove more troubling looking toward the future. It depends on the state. A brand new weak state like Lebanon will hold some responsibility but probably not total responsibility. Afterall look at the new govt. of AFghanistan where there are numerous warlords, terrorists, and former Taliban operating openly. I don't hold Karazai responsible.
Some 'hopeful' signs from both sides, and other third parties seem to be willing to step up and help...I think diplomacy will bring this conflict to an end within a matter of weeks. I think the Israelis genuinely want to end the fighting and Hezbollah's leadership sounds willing to at least consider diplomacy, insisting they're not "stubborn" and can be worked with... Let me share an interesting interview I heard with an official from the Saudi foreign ministry. First of all, the topics varied from Lebanon to Iraq to Palestine to Syria, but I will just mention what I think is relative to this thread. He talked about how his country and "some of our Arab brothers" (presumably the Egyptians and the Jordanians at a minimum, possibly even the UAE) are undertaking steps to make sure that the Lebanese government is not only strengthened and "able to control its whole land", but promised that the Saudis will provide full "financial and political support" to help Lebanon recover from the massive damage caused by the Israeli bombings. When the topic shifted to Syria, and this is probably the more interesting part of the interview, he said that Arab governments were putting pressure on the Syrian government to stop backing Hezbollah, even suggesting that this might be a "golden chance" for the Syrians to "gain what they have always wanted", and proceeded to talk about how the US administration is trying to bring Syria in from the "political cold", and that the US understands Syria could be a "positive actor" in the region. Make your own conclusions, but I thought the interview was very interesting, and it seemed as if the Saudi foreign minister was throwing out 'hints' for both the Syrians and the Lebanese, and it also signals that the Saudis are intent on playing a big role in this whole thing, possibly even trying to break Syria off from the 'Shi'ite crescent' that much of the Sunni Arab world feels threatened by (that, if you haven't been aware, is probably the single biggest reason as to why the Saudis, Egyptians, and Jordanians have been critical of Hezbollah's actions, they have on many occasions in the past alluded to the 'growing threat' of the so-called 'Shi'ite crescent' that has been enhanced by the American invasion of Iraq, Syrian alliance with the Iranians, and Hezbollah's dominance in the Lebanese arena). My own personal impression is that the Saudis, Egyptians, and Jordanians have probably been hard at work trying to convince the Syrians to 'get on the same page' with them, and bring a halt to their 'convenient alliance' with Shi'ite Muslims in the region, probably promising incentives ranging from good relations with the U.S. to possibly a bigger role in the region. His overall tone when he talked about Syria seemed to be along the lines of, "This is your chance, don't squander it, seize it." As to the Lebanese, he promised to throw Saudi Arabia's full financial and political assets behind Lebanon...the 'but' was likely nothing less than the 'reigning in' of Hezbollah and strengthening of the Lebanese army so that they can take full control of their territory. Anyways, thought I would share, it was an interesting interview...
So its the fault of an abused woman in an abusive relationship if her abuser attacks someone else? You and Roxran don't get it. The Lebanese government isn't strong enough to fight Hezbollah further by destroying Lebanon's economic infrastructure that is further weakening Lebanese moderates from being able get rid of Hezbollah. Its equivalent to blowing up the fire station since they weren't able to put out a fire fast enough.
And blowing up Lebanon's infrastructure that would strengthen anti-Hezbollah forces helps how? Seriously you act as though Lebanese government and anti-Hezbollah forces in Lebanon haven't acted because they are in collusion in Hezbollah? Do you remember those protests of up to a million Lebanese last year that drove Syria out? Those people for the most part oppose Hezbollah. The problem is Hezbollah is military stronger than the Lebanese military. Again do you blame someone an abused wife for the actions of her abuser? That is what you are implying. Calling a whole country a "w****" for something that most of them can't do anything about is highly offensive. It is akin to calling a rape victim a "w****" You claim you want peace but your use of terms like "w****" "twist the knife slowly" show anything but. If anything they show what I would consider a vicarious blood thirstiness.
And the fall continues. This is quite a plummet. How far will you sink? Whether or not she reports it, the abuse is not her fault. That is one of the most assinine things I have ever seen. If she doesn't report it, it is her fault for not reporting it. It isn't her fault for the abuse. I will ask you again, please seek professional help. I seriously think you would benefit from it.
Fleeing civilian vehicles hit by Israeli missiles By Nicholas Blanford in Tyre and Ned Parker in Jerusalem Video: Latest news at Times Online TV Lebanese Red Cross workers help an injured woman from a minibus hit by a missile near Tyre (Nicholas Blanford) WITH an expression of utmost calm on her blood-masked face, the woman allowed herself to be gently lowered from the minibus into the waiting arms of two Lebanese Red Cross volunteers. The rescue workers had extracted her through a jagged hole in the roof of the crumpled bus, created by a missile fired minutes earlier by an Israeli helicopter that had blasted the vehicle off the road. Left behind in the vehicle, slumped over each other and soaked in blood, were the bodies of three people. The narrow roads that meander through the valleys and undulating chalky hills east of Tyre were a place of terror and death yesterday as Israeli helicopters attacked civilian vehicles fleeing Israel’s 11-day onslaught in south Lebanon. Dr Ahmad Mrowe, director of the Jabal Amel hospital in Tyre, said: “Today is the day of the cars. It has been very bad.” By early evening, the Jabal Amel hospital alone had received 41 wounded, most of them serious, according to hospital sources, all thought to be civilians seeking refuge north of the Litani river after heeding Israeli warnings to leave the area. The stricken minibus was hit along a road cut into the side of a steep valley beyond Siddiqine village, where Israeli artillery shells exploded in thick, dirty, white plumes of smoke and dust. One man, his face half torn off by a missile, sat in his seat, his yellowing hand hanging from the window. Beside him, covered in the dead man’s blood, a woman moved slightly back and forth. “Can you stand?” asked a Red Cross volunteer. The woman mumbled an incoherent response. A few yards away, some of the survivors lay on the ground, moaning and crying. Red Cross medics said that 19 people had been in the vehicle, all of them from Tiri, a small village 7 miles to the south-east. Abbas Shayter, 12, said: “Someone came for us and we drove with other cars out of the village. “We were trying to keep up with the others when we were hit.” He said his grandmother, uncle and another man had been killed. .....
First, it's an exceedingly dumb analogy in so many ways. Second, if she is allowing her husband to attack others, then she is a de facto equivalent of an accomplice.
Thanks tigermission1. I have been trying to figure out why Israel was destroying so much of the Lebanese infrastructure. I was wondering if the US would step up after and offer to rebuild if the Lebanese ousted the weakened hezbollah, but that would be too obvious and also would possibly garner more support for hezbollah in the region. Now if another Arab nation stepped-up with the money with a slightly different approach, maybe it could work. Not much for conspiracy theory, but this would just coincidentally improve the situation in the ME for all parties (arguably even Lebanon in the longterm) except hezbollah (and some could argue the Palestinians).
Four children and the cost of war By Cal Perry CNN http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/23/perry.tyre/index.html Monday, July 24, 2006; Posted: 2:42 a.m. EDT (06:42 GMT) TYRE, Lebanon (CNN) -- The last time I sat down to write something, it was about the cost of war. As I looked ahead to the coming days, the last words I wrote were: Who will die? Today, I found out. Standing in front of this 8-year-old boy lying in a hospital bed, the "conflict in the Middle East" and the "cost of war" seem endless and suffocating. His pain cannot possibly be imagined as he shakes uncontrollably in and out of shock. He has blood coming from his eyes. His name is Mahmood Monsoor and he is horribly burned. In the hospital bed next to him is his 8-month-old sister, Maria -- also burned. Screaming at the top of her lungs is the children's mother, Nuhader Monsoor. She is standing over her baby, looking at her son -- and probably thinking of her dead husband. The smell of burned flesh is overwhelming. This story, for the Monsoor family, started out as a typical one, probably one that most of us have experienced. They had simply gone on a family vacation to some lovely sunny beaches, but these beaches were in southern Lebanon. The six of them, like thousands of others, were fleeing the fighting -- trying to get north, waving white flags, when an Israeli bomb or missile slammed into their car. (Watch how the littlest victims are suffering -- 2:54. Viewer discretion is advised.) The father, Mohammed Monsoor, was killed instantly. His children all were wounded. His wife, who is now crying over two of the wounded children, was in the best physical condition. But as would be the case for any mother and wife, her life, in many ways, ended the minute the car exploded into flames. The other two Monsoor children, Ahmed, 15, and Ali, 13, are in surgery. Doctors can't tell me if they will make it. They walk away, their heads shaking. Optimism is not a word that breathes truth in this place. There are more than enough stories like this, in hospitals across southern Lebanon. This hospital, on this day, seems to be a microcosm of the region. Less than 100 meters from the front door of the hospital, a car is on fire. Less than 30 minutes earlier, the car exploded as an Israeli jet circled overhead. The fog of war has crept into the hospital, and no one knows where the casualties of that strike are being treated. Just days earlier, staff at this hospital were moving bodies out to make room for more. Like an assembly line of the dead, unless the bombings stop, they will be doing the same tomorrow. The city of Tyre has been enduring stories like this for more than a week. Buildings are crumpled; those who have not left are hiding in basements. Those who dare to pack into cars run the risk of ending up like the Monsoor family. Some who move north die on the road. Some stay in basements, and die there. Others hope against hope that the bombs will fall elsewhere -- missing them. Politics creeps into the ward like the blood that runs on the floors. "Clearly he is Hezbollah," says one of the doctors outside the room -- sarcastically referring to 8-year-old Mahmood, whose screams can be heard from the hallway. His screams now blend with the wails of his mother, matching the baby's cries. The hospital ward begins to teem with members of the international press. They all have blue flak jackets that say "press" on the front. They carry microphones, cameras, radios and satellite phones, and have local guides to translate. Today, as I finish I am sitting in the same spot and the shells are still falling. Hezbollah rockets are firing toward northern Israel. I can imagine another reporter, in another flak jacket, standing over an 8-year old Israeli boy. I'll finish by asking another question: Are any of us making a difference? Tomorrow, I'll let you know. © 2006 Cable News Network LP, LLLP. A Time Warner Company. All Rights Reserved. ====================================== When I read this, I'm filled with a unquenchable rage. Someone must be brought to account for this. There is no way this is justified. Have we heard of any apologies? or even any investigation? I'm ashamed that as an American, my taxes probably paid for those bombs... And if I'm angry, I can't possibly imagine what the millions of Arabs watching this on Al-Jazeera must be feeling... I'm sorry, but all rationality is thrown out the window. If an Iranian nuke is the only thing that will put the fear of God in Israel, then here's to 200 Iranian nuclear warheads! If I could, I would donate to their research effort....
My words were measured for a reasoning which have nothing to do with your ignorant and simple-minded characterization...There is a "w****" reference I realized as it relates to geographic significance, religion, and the people affected...I'll give you a clue: The author of Revelation also uses code names to refer to earthly Jerusalem, calling it "that great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." (Rev. 11:8) Here is a fun spin on down times....Anyone who can name the true reference of "w****" as I had in mind when originally making the post gets to have there name in my signature as "the greatest" for a week...You have till 6:30p.m. CST...I will explain why the seemingly vile wording has parallel meaning during the Mid-East crisis...
