again, i never said crap about US since i live here. i don't think other posters were talking **** about US. i think most of them are reacting towards hostile comments towards them. besides, a lot people didn't really choose to live here. for example, i moved here cause my family moved here. i can't really move back due to cultural differences. i eat cheese, listen to metal, watch football... you don't find those in China.
Step back for a minute and let's reverse the logic. Why attack China all the time? Why can't he criticize US, especially since as you said proudly the others have criticized the US also. Doesn't the fact that he lives here earn him more right to criticize? being more familiar and close to his life and all? unlike others who never lived in the other part of the world doing the same. There are plenty of bait being thrown. We are all the same. I'm reading Kurt Vonnegut's final speech right now. Great speech.
I've only glanced at this thread, though I have glanced at all 8 or so pages. I am certainly too ignorant of Chinese politics (and even the Chinese politics on this board) to claim any sort of authority here, but a couple things stand out. 1. While we in America are certainly insensitive to the sort of Homeland loyalty the Chinese might feel, it seems funny to me that any Chinese would complain about not getting proper coverage of a protest when protest is pretty much illegal in China. 2. It is so easy to gather up a couple thousand people for a protest in our (happily) protest happy country that it surprises me not at all that a protest here would go under-reported. 3. If someone was seriously offended by the suggestion by one of our hothead American commentators that China was sending tainted products to the US, why has no one complained that the products weren't untainted? Were they are weren't they? And, if they were, are we not allowed to complain about it? We have regulatory agencies for reasons of public safety. If we are importing unsafe products (and by all accounts I've heard, we are and they're from China) I don't have any problem with someone saying so. In fact, I'd like to stage a giant protest in China against it but I'm not going to because I'd likely suffer a worse fate than being ignored; in fact I'd expect to be arrested or beaten. 4. Why does Deckard keep calling for the impeachment of the president of the United States on the one hand and then call me an extremist for refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton? Again, apologies for anything I might have said above that might be the result of my ignorance of PRC and the politics involved. I am an ugly and stupid American (I'm not being ironic; I really am.). And, as in all things, I am here to learn. Enlighten me.
It is understandable that you do not have time/interest going through all 8 pages. So let me to briefly answer your question. This thread is about media objectivity and honesty. The protests against Cafferty's racist comments on Chinese have been going in many US cities, not just LA. NYC, SF had protests with similar numbers as LA protest and Alanta and other cities with smaller number. With such a scale of protest, It has to be something that all the major TV networks "ignored" (or should I say try to aviod) it. Even the little net coverage are very misleading. The protest is about Cafferty's racist comments: "I think they're basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years." Not about the "junk product", not about the PRC government. Although Cafferty later claimed he was talking about the goverment not the people of China, many Chinese beleive his initial talk were to insult China and its people. If you have interest, you can find the original video and judge yourself. That Cafferty guy can go as rediculous as "a dollar a month" stuff, pretty amzing. BTW, it seems to me your impression about China is closer to what CNN and like want you to have than what China today actually is. I won't talk more on this subject, and I am sure you can find a lot to read if you are interested. Another thing is: do not assume supporting China automatically means against US. I, for one, like many things in this country. I am just against those wrong doings(in this case, CNN's racism). I do not what is going go between you and Deckard. But "Impeach Bush" is the only line of all his replies in this thread that I agree, sorry
Posters weren't talking *** about the US? Have you been reading the same threads have I have? So you are still making a choice to remain here. Trust me in any of the major cities in China you can find cheese, heavy metal and watch US football. They might not be as readily available, except for heavy metal because there are now several Chinese metal bands, but you can get it.
Of course he's free to criticize the US but if the goal of criticizing the US is to defend the PRC that doesn't make much sense as he chooses to live here. If he wants to make the argument that the PRC isn't that bad when compared to the US then why live here? I think there are some serious problems with the US but I'm not going to use that to say that the PRC is better overall. I recall hearing it awhile back but don't remember it that well. I will have to read it again sometime.
i usually don't read everything on these threads. there are way too many back and forth and repeating comments. i am making a choice because i'm very americanized, so my chinese friends tell me.
Except he was framing it as the US is worse than China. It's more of in reaction to overbearing moral high ground, that every country has its share problems sort of thing. I could be wrong, since I don't diligently follow those millions of threads. Plus, even if it hypothetically was, say, he thought the US was doing worse injustice to Iraqis or African Americans, things didn't directly affect him. I don't see that prevent him from living here.
Maybe he has a religious belief that, albeit not agreeable by the "main stream religions," polygamism is god sent? Maybe he regards the Age of Consent in the U.S. is too puritanically rigid and evil, and that the U.S. law that bans his practices aims to persecute him and his devout followers? The medicine you prescibe for others sure tastes much bitter when you are forced to take it, doesn't it? LOL BORG, if you still don't get it, both China and U.S. did what they deem necessary to preserve *normal" societal orders in their respective countries, at the cost of so-called personal political/religious freedom. CASE CLOSED
Red herring much? I thought I was joking that Berkeley education sucks, but it strikes me it could be true, the more I read your posts lately. Since most of the China/Chinese-bashing high moral grounders are from the U.S., what else should I direct my counter argument at, the Swedes? Again, when did I ever proclaim PRC is problem-free? When you apply double-standard on somebody else, you should expect what's coming next. If you can't handle the truth, then don't cry foul when it's exposed.
About the South Korea torch relay in Seoul, US media again implemented the one-sided report. The story from the other side was that anti-china protesters brought tools like stones, pinchers to irritate and attack China supporters. Then the next day held a press conference, holding the pincher,but claiming that the tools were evidence of China supporters preparing to attack them. For those who couldn't read Chinese: tools were circled in yellow, the two Korean circled in red and blue are anti-China protesters who directed the whole scene. At the bottom left corner, a China supporter was injured by flying stones. And why I couldn't find this picture in US media? The anti-China(right) protester was attacking a Chinese supporter(left), with a BICYCLE. Pictured enlarged.
You sure that's the incident happened in North Korea, not South Korea? Well.. I have been reading south korea newspaper dailyl, and south Koreans are pretty pissed at what Chinese mops did in Seoul. Stop blaming on the media this media that.. they should stop causing trouble.
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So south Koreans are pretty pissed at what Chinese mops did in Seoul according to korea newspaper, and Chinese are pretty pissed at what Korean mobs did in Seoul according to chinese nespaper. Are we going to have a war leading by the media? Right, stop causing trouble. The only question is: who were causing trouble?
LOLOLOL - yes I'm sure Korean protesters brought their bicycles in order to conveniently hurl them at chinese, as those PRC-bot propaganda pix show us. It's a lot more convenient than throwing a radiator! Nothing like a good mountain bike toss to mess up a protest!
Chinese are pissed? Is that what's happening in China? I didn't know that. Actually the report came from someone's personal youtube clip, not from the media. Well.. i see your point. But Chinese could have approached the protest from different perspective also. They should have been waving both Korean and Chinese flags together. It is just wrong to wave thousands of your own flag in someone else's country without showing a respect, don't you think?
I'm sorry, my fault. The pictures were taken in South Korea, the torch relay in Seoul. "Chinese mops" were attacked first by a the guy using a bicycle. Here is the video explaining what really happened. <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AY3_tibj7Uo&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AY3_tibj7Uo&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
Not near as pissed as to what happened in Franch. But with the issue getting more and more sensitive, it is not suprising the almost everything reported outside China will also have its share of coverage and reaction inside China. Honestly, I do not think any one of the Chinese waving Chinese flag meant to take this oppotunity to show disrespect to South Korea. Just switch the position, if the torch relay for Seoul Olympics run to the US city where you live and you heard someone was going to do something bad about it and you decide to come out to show your support, what flag will you bring? I would not blame you and say you do not show respect to US by holding a Korean flag. I think the media in general are more and more concerned about selling their news/story and less and less about the responsibility they bear. That can't be a good thing for today's world we are living in.
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