He arranged for children to be raped by 50 year old men. It is much more than freedom of speech. By reaching for analogies like this, you show your inability to make rational judgments when discussing China. In another thread you made the same analogy, but I just though you were throwing a tantrum like when longhornchampno calls SamFisher a Borg without even knowing what a Borg is - that you didn't believe such an obviously specious comparison and were just looking to hurl an insult. Apparently not.
As you agree though it was a fact that Cafferty's remarks were directed at the leaders and not all Chinese. If the protestors' took it otherwise then it is the protestors mistake that they misinterpreted the comment as even you agree that Cafferty's comments were seen as being at the leadership. If the protestors didn't misinterpret the comment then logically the protests was seen as support of the PRC leadership. Take our pick, were the protestors misguided or did the media make a correct logical inference? If you are addressing my specific opinion, which it is opinion, I would still say hardly irrelevant as it is a fact that you were the one who asked me for my opinion.
I have nothing against him or other posters loving China or whether they live there or not. It strikes me as ironic though that the so much of the argument defending the PRC is to tear down the US. The US has tons of problems though but that doesn't mean that the PRC is OK. IT especially doesn't make sense when you voluntarily live here. Sure you feel your homeland is being insulted so you want to insult someone elses the problem though is what does tha make you when live by your own free will in the other person's homeland?
gosh, here we go again. we have repeatedly said there are tons of problems in China. and we listed them in various threads already.
Then why attack the US so much? I don't get what your statement is about. So you admit there are problems in the PRC. Posters like Ottomaton and King Cheetah criticize the US much more than the do the PRC. What is the point then of arguing for the PRC by attacking the US when both admit there are problems in both countries? Why feel the need to reflexively attack the US when the PRC is criticized especially when you live in the US?
i don't know if they did or not, but i personally never said ****. my beef is that, a lot of these people never lived in China before. they are just saying things based on what they hear. people like us, who lived in China and US before, probably have a better idea of what's really going on. and we are not the first to start talking ****. other people started it. if there weren't any protests, there wouldn't be any Chinese students organizing counter protests.
When or Where did I say or agree that it was a fact that Cafferty's remarks were directed at the leaders and not all Chinese. I said that Cafferty said the insult was directed to the "leaders" is a fact. Can you tell the difference? I though the difference between facts and opinions were told in elementary school. Since the rest you wrote is based on a wrong assumption, no need to argue further. No, I did not ask your opinion how you feel(insulted or not) about Cafferty's words. I started this thread to talk about US media's objectivity and honesty based on their reports(ok lack of) on specific event. You are welcome to give your opinion provided you do not mistake opinion for fact.
With all due respect, is being an a$$ to one of our most respected members something you just enjoy doing, or is it that you can't help yourself? Impeach the Stepford President.
Why do you jump into this conversation? He was the one started about the "facts and opinion" issue. I just showed I was not the one who mistaked opinion for fact. If you want to talk, read the ralated part before you open your mouth. Or you are the one being an a$$.
Uh... aren't you saying that right now? I don't see what you are arguing about regarding Cafferty's statement. We agree on what the facts are. Cafferty directed his statement at the leaders. You just stated that as a fact. Is it a wrong assumption on the part of the protestors that they misinterpreted Cafferty's remarks. I fully recognize my opinion regarding whether I was insulted by Cafferty's comment is opinion as an insult would be a matter of opinion but you clearly asked me about it in the quote of yours I cited.
Deckard, I appreciate you rushing to my defense but honestly I don't think rfila is being an @ss. We have a disagreement and we are debating it strongly but I don't think he's being insulting.
As I said I can understand wanting to defend China to people who have never lived there but why try to tear down the US so much especially if you live here? Whether Chinese criticize the PRC is one thing but for Chinese residents of the US to defend the PRC by saying how terrible things are here doesn't make sense when you choose to live here.
No. It is a fact that Cafferty said the insult was directed to the "leaders" It is an opinion that the insult was directed to the "leaders", just the same as It is an opinion that the insult was directed to all Chinese. No. I did not state it as a fact, see above. I only stated the facts. The fact on how Cafferty explained his intention and the fact how the protesters feel about his comments. Whether they misinterpreted is not the issue. How they felt is. The fact is that they felt insulted and thus had the protest. I did express my surprise that you did not feel insulted. That was my opinion and I appreciate your explaination regarding that. But that only stays where it belongs, serving only to understand how we approach certain things. Still these are not in anyway related to how the media reacted to the protest, which is this thread all about.
