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US House held hostage by extremists

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Oct 2, 2013.

  1. trueroxfan

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    Not saying the world will end with Obamacare, but it takes us down the wrong path and I would prefer we stand up and fight now before it is too late.
     
  2. bongman

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    Green eggs and ham. One thing I believe we all agree on is that our past healthcare system needs some overhauling. Nobody is saying that the ACA is perfect nor it is guaranteed to succeed. Why can't we give this a shot?
     
  3. trueroxfan

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    Why can't we delay it while we fix it? Why must we pay the price to go through the trial run?
     
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    Ya, right. By delay the Republicans mean (forever). By fix it the Republicans mean (scrap). They had three years to do something constructive. They had decades to fix the problem and did nothing.
     
  5. BigBenito

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    I'd be all for delaying it if your party had shown any interest in fixing it instead of killing it.

    They haven't and they won't. So, stop with that nonsense.
     
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    Before it's too late for what? When was the last time that Congress passed a law that was so bad it destroyed America?

    For the past 200+ years our great government operated on the idea that a bill pass the house, then the Senate, then approved by the President, then deemed constitutional by the court, and becomes law. If that law becomes too unpopular or deem harmful to society, it will then be repealed.

    Why can't this process occur with the Affordable Health Care Act?
     
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  7. bongman

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    How is it going to be fixed if there is no mandate to change the way we do things in the healthcare system? The folks who stand to lose a lot of money will not implement any changes unless the law forces them to.

    Unfortunately, a trial run is the risk we have to make just like any investment. We need to find out what works with this proposal and tweak it as required. The solution to this problem is obviously not an easy one and sometimes trial and error might be the only way to troubleshoot it.
     
  8. trueroxfan

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    Sure they have. They've started with a repeal of the Medical Device Tax. By the way, it's not MY party. I'm not a registered Republican and I didn't vote Republican in the last election.


    The problem is no one knows what the rules are or how this thing is going to work. Why not delay it while they attempt to understand it?


    So you're saying that all the laws passed before haven't fundamentally destroyed the country, so why should this one? Great logic.

    I'd say the Apportionment Act of 1911 was pretty bad. Now districts incorporate almost a million constituents.

    No one seemed to complain when they did it to defund Vietnam or Iran-Contra. Slavery and segregation were once legal, would we complain if they had tried to use the budget to stop it?

    So you think. And Republicans didn't have decades to fix anything. 1) They didn't control both chambers at all times, Democrats had just as much a chance, but didn't because 2) Most people were okay with their health care.
     
  9. JeffB

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    Obamacare is RomneyCare which is the Heritage Foundation Rube Goldberg marketplace scheme circa 1994 (http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182).

    It was a great idea and the right thing to do until Obama was for it. Now it is the wrong path... partisanship. Party before country.
     
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  10. BigBenito

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    Your example of it being fixed was repealing a tax?

    Awesome. Lets celebrate folks. The ACA is now a 100% bipartisan affair; the republicans helped fix it.
     
  11. bongman

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    If we are going to wait and see if somebody that has magical powers who can predict the future to say how it will turn out, our great great grandchildren will still be using the previous healthcare system we used.

    You state that nobody knows what's going to happen and how it is going to work. Then how come your party seems to be so sure that this will fail that it is willing to shutdown the government?
     
  12. trueroxfan

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    Nope. Said that was the start.
     
  13. trueroxfan

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    Quite simple. If nobody knows how to drive a car, and you throw a bunch of cars on the road...predict what happens next.
     
  14. trueroxfan

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    Not an apple to apple comparison.

    For starters Obamacare affects every citizen. Romneycare affected only those in his state. What's good for Mass. is not necessarily good for Texas.
     
  15. bongman

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    I don't get the analogy. What would cause somebody to just throw a bunch of cars on the road? What possible scenario in this universe where somebody would randomly do that? Why would giving cars to people who can't drive be a solution to a problem?
     
  16. BigBenito

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    Hey, it is better than the standard nazi metaphor.
     
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    So an insurance exchange was good for Massachusetts? And if so, why isn't it good for Texas?
     
  18. Nook

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    Eventually you do have to throw the the cars on the road or we would all be using horses.

    The same thing happened with medicare/medicaid and other landmark legislation. It is just par for the course. I expect there to be a number of problems (remember this is not the system Obama actually wanted), but in a few years, when the dust settles we will have a better idea.

    I don't think Obamacare is going anywhere, and the GOP is horrified that it will be popular like social security and medicare. Even the world's least tactful man Ted Cruz expressed similar concerns.

    I personally gain nothing from Obamacare because I have just about the best insurance you can have... but I know that the old system was not working for most Americans.
     
  19. JeffB

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    Read the link.

    They are the same plan. The plan was the Republican plan; it was in the party platform and it was going to effect every citizen. Republicans believed this was good enough for the whole nation. It was a good idea when it was part of John McCain's presidential campaign. Republicans believed it was a good idea all the way until Obama won the 2008 election and made that plan the ACA.

    You'll need better FoxNews talking points than that. This ain't the echo chamber. You gotta step up and bring both logic and evidence to this battle.
     
  20. CometsWin

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    It isn't good for Texas because Texas has the most uninsured people in the country and... oh wait a minute.
     

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