US Doesn't Like Outcome of Iraq Election So Tries to block the New Government

Actually, it is effective pressuring. Do you expect these regimes to change overnight? Allowing a more open free press is a huge step forward. And it certainly denies the statement 'that the US was pushing for "democratic reforms" in certain countries (is) just factually incorrect.' Further, in Egypt's parliamentary elections in November and December 2005, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood won 88 seats. Considering the MB was previously banned by Mubarak, the old analysis CreepyFloyd relies on is no longer valid.

Go back and reread 'first election in 40 years.'

 

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2003/2003companiesiniraq.htm


A really good read . too long to post up .

 

Conspiracy theories always make for entertaining reading. For example, the article points to Paul O'Neil's statements about Bush's preparation for Iraq - yet fails to provide the detail that the impetus was the opinion that Saddam was a 'bad person' that needed to go - not a concern with oil.

 

"He tried to kill my daddy."

 

Another point that would cut against the oil conspiracy theory.

 

It was a concern for oil.

Have you read the US National Energy Policy Development Group report? (the group headed by Dick Cheney)

Not the original sanitized version, the one that GAO Comptroller David Walker, Judicial Watch, and the Sierra Club went to court over.

That case went to the Supreme Court and was quickly settled once Dick Cheney took Judge Scalia on that infamous hunting trip in July 2004.

The NEPDG clearly says that the US must control the oil in the region.

I'm sure no one is changing their mind at this point.- We are there for the long haul.- Just too much oil at stake.

Draw a triangle from Quatar (where the US Central Command was) through SE Saudi Arabia, up through Iran and then back through western Iraq and you have a triangle smaller than the state of Kansas that has 60% of the recoverable oil on the planet.

Our military will have control in this region.

I guess it's a good thing seeing how much oil we import.

 

hayesstreet there are many countries with a 'bad person' at top. however, somehow Mr.Bush picked a country with 350-450 billion barrels of oil(that is worth in the TRILLIONS). As I have said before, you don't remain one of the greatest superpower's of all time by playing nice. If you think it is possible, then hey i would love to be in the world you are living in.

 

I wouldn't be too sure what with daddy's ties to the Carlyle group and family of Saud.

 

if some of you guys dont think that the US supports and sponsors tyrants and dictatorships then there's no hope for you

my info on the muslim brotherhood is not outdated, go and look it up, they are still a part that's officially banned and they have to run as independents, it doesn't even matter because egypt has had a parliament for years....they have no power! i noticed you didnt touch on the fact that ayman nour, the leading opposition candidate in the presidential elections of last year was thrown in jail....yeah tremendous amount of democractic reforms....you also didnt talk about saudi arabia or jordan....you really didnt backup anything you said with nothing more than rhetoric

 

....and the invasion of Afghanistan was so we can control Central Asian oil, lol.

In the next chapter of the best selling suspense/thriller...

 

so bush prepares years before and is ready to sacrifice thousands of american lives and billions of dollars because saddam was a 'bad person'?? should be more to that..

 

so why did bush invade afghanistan? to set up a base there right? then after that jumped to straight to iraq..

we never caught or planned to catch obl.. LOL

 

hayes has been getting good tips from this admin especially cheney

 

I don't think anyone is denying that this occurs. Its your unbalanced view that is disturbing.

I don't have to look it up, lol. I am the only one between the two of us to quote a source. As I pointed out to rhad, democratic reforms are just that, reforms - not revolutions. The transition doesn't happen overnight. To claim we are not pressing for democratization is just flat out false. To claim there has been no reform is false (although I see you've now changed your rhetoric from 'no democratic reform' to [no] tremendous amount of reform'). Simply straight up factually incorrect. And yes, I already pointed out reform in SA and Jordan, and as I said - I am the only one to cite and link a source. I missed your link, lol. So it would appear it is you that is only spewing unbacked rhetoric.

You're doing a good job of marginalizing yourself. Keep up the good work.

No, you're missing the point - but you're not alone so don't feel bad. My reference to O'Neil is to show the unreliability of the Global Policy Forum. They present a clear half truth to give credibility to their conspiracy theory. Pointing out the other half shows they are misusing facts to further their own agenda.

 

are you saying majority of this country agrees that overthrowing saddam is more important than capturing obl?

 

You got to solve your own problems; stop blaming the U.S for everything. I hate it how everyone just says it’s the U.S's fault. If you guys had any brains you wouldn't have been used like you were. The fact is the powerful will always use the weak, especially if they have something they need. Your ability to not get used makes you smart.

 

i wouldn't call that misusing facts. Its called pointing out the truth

 

You claim we never planned to catch osama. I responded that theories like that marginalize your opinion.

 

No, Afghanistan was driven by NG pipeline contracts and opium production.
Once the Taliban banned opium crops they became our bad guys.

They went from zero to #1 in the world in opium production as soon as we kicked the Taliban (at least the ones we didn't like) out.

Do you remember the Contra Drug scandal? The CIA and drugs run deep in tradition and history. This is old news.

Oct. 21, 1995 Unocal signed a contract with Turkmenistan to export $8 billion in NG through a $ 3 billion pipeline that had to go through Afghanistan to Pakistan.
July 8, 1996 Enron and Uzbek state company develop NG fields in Uzbekistan.
Sept. 27, 1996 with US help the Taliban take Kabul- a preliminary agreement is reached between Unocal and the Taliban on the pipeline project.
Dec. 4, 1997 the Taliban met with Unocal reps in Texas (support of Gov. Bush) . Taliban will support the pipeline if the US officially recognizes the Taliban govt. in Afghanistan
Feb. 12, 1998 Unocal VP John Maresca (later he became special ambassador to Afghanistan) testifies before House International Relations Committee that unless the Taliban is supported- no pipeline.
Late 1998 FBI counter-terrorism agent John O'Neill reports he intercepts a memo from al'Quada leader Mohanned Atef and publishes that the Taliban are not serious about allowing the pipeline.
July 4, 1999 With a pipeline deal looking more unlikely the US issues executive orders forbidding commercial transactions with the Taliban
May 23, 2001 Zalmay Khalilzad is appointed to a position on the National Security Council as a special assistant tothe President. He is later named the US pro-consul in Afghanistan. He is a former Unocal exec.
August 2, 2001 Christina Rocca, Director of Asian affairs at the state dept. met with Taliban ambassador in Islamabad in a last ditch effort to secure the pipeline deal. Rocca previously oversaw the delivery of stinger missles to Afghan Muhahedeen in the 1980's.
Sept 11, 2001-
Oct. 9, 2001 US Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain meets with Pakistani oil minister briefing that the pipeline project will be completed.
Dec. 22, 2001 Prime Minister Hamid Karzai takes power in Afghanistan, the former foreign minister for the Taliban was a paid consultant for Unocal.
Feb. 9, 2002- Pakistani President Musharraf and Karzai announce their agreement to do the pipeline.

All's well that ends well. Whether it is a conspiracy or just really good luck.

 

Right, right. Pipeline contracts. That's what I meant. It sure was good luck that Osama blew up the WTC and hid in Afghanistan. Or was it? Hmmm.....