THE CAT I know that I am repeating myself, but I really think that a plan of action should be discussed to get rid of the common draft. At the very least, we should know what to expect next season. I really, really hate the idea of a common draft! You all know this. But I guess I can deal with it for another season or two since it seems to be a forgone conclusion there will be one next season. Here is my question. Is there anyway we can come to a compromise and in the process get rid of the common draft? I am thinking that next season the common draft should consist of a starter and a bench player from each team. The year after that year the common draft should consist of only a starter from each team. And the year after that year the the common draft should consist of just a bench player from each team. Then the year after that we get rid of the common draft altogether. This idea gives us three more seasons of the dreaded common draft, enough time for GMs to adjust to life without this horrid draft while at the same time making it easier to keep the core players a team trades and develops for. Whichever way you decide to go, I do think a at least a three year plan should be put into affect soon since draft picks are a common form of trade bait. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
I'm fine with the common draft, after thinking about it some more, a 2 player draft isn't as bad as I thought originally. I've also traded my way to have 4 draft picks for the upcoming draft, if we change the rules and say that teams only have to give up 1 starter and 1 bench player, I won't be very happy. This 2 player draft is the only fair way of helping the really bad teams in the league that have no one and can't make a trade with anyone b/c they have no one. ------------------ All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy.
Well, BGM, I disagree but since you feel that way then I am prolly just going to give up my team. I dont want to cause trouble and I am of course in the minority. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
You dont think getting rid of the common draft will lead to less trades (the fun part) since so many use picks as part of the trades? (I know I for one do) I don't like your idea as I have based the 3 coming seasons (in trades) that the draft should not change considerably. I think the rules we had season work well, and if new GMs want to ever improve when they take over the likes of Bull, Suns, Warriors, Magic, Heat, Hawks and Nuggets (or even Hornets, Clippers and Pacers) they need the common draft to even out the strength of the teams. I could agree that giving up 2 of 5 starters is cruel but if we use the same rules as for this season you can chose from 6 or 7 starters if you have rotated your starters some during the season. (And normally that would happen anyway, as 5 clear cut starters could be hard to find on every team.) I can agree that we for the future give up 1 of your top 5 players and one from the 2nd unit, but I really think the common draft is something good. I would not want this change before season 5 as the trades I have done includes picks for season 2-4. ------------------ Join the CC.net NBA Sim ------------------------- The CC.net NBA Sim Homepage -Rosters & Stats - Official Trades
Yeah, that is cruel, and it works both ways. I really think we can't make any major changes before season 5 anyway as I had this draft in mind when I did trades (or I drop my team ) You also got to consider kbm that the 2 rounds is a compromise as someone wanted that we had to drop 3 starters. I can perhaps agree to reduce the common draft in the future (from season 5), and I think that it is good you take this topic up so early. ------------------ Join the CC.net NBA Sim ------------------------- The CC.net NBA Sim Homepage -Rosters & Stats - Official Trades [This message has been edited by Heath2000 (edited May 10, 2001).]
BGM, I like this league, so of course I am reluctant to give up my team. But I just dont see the point in investing my time to a team I am going to lose. I am NOT trying to get anyone to change their minds. I am just saying that I am going to give up team. That's all. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
What about this compromise kbm? Season 3: As planned earlier, give up 2 starters, but you are allowed to chose from more than 5 starters. Season 4: Your plan for season 3. You give up 1 of your top 5 players and 1 of your top 3-4 bench players (need 20 mpg to qualify). Season 5 and upward: We continue to have 2* rounds draft and you give up 1 player that averaged over 25 mins and 1 player that averaged over 20 mins. *) If a season from 5 and upward has a rookie draft we will only have a 1 round common draft where you give up a player that averaged over 20 mins. And this compromise will hurt me as it changes from season 4 and not 5. Thats just my idea. Do you really need to get rid of the common draft completly? I think with these changes you will get to keep top 6-7 guys from season 5 and that is not losing your team. ------------------ Join the CC.net NBA Sim ------------------------- The CC.net NBA Sim Homepage -Rosters & Stats - Official Trades
The only way I'd be fine with throwing away the draft is if we evened the field. If we blew up every team and had a huge draft pool everyone would choose from in a draft with the selection being random, I'd be fine with no more common drafts. I know that idea is pretty unrealistic, but when I say we need to keep the common draft, I say that thinking of teams like the Knicks. The only trade offers he gets are for scrubs, how is he supposed to compete in this league if there's no common draft? How's any new GM supposed to compete with no common draft? You're only losing 2 players, and you end up replacing them with the draft. It's not like your whole team is going away. BTW I'm fine with adjusting the draft to make you choose 2 players from your top 6, that would make it a little bit more fair. ------------------ All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 10, 2001).]
The common draft, at least the 2 player version, will most likely last just one more season. Essentially, I am trying to do this in order to expand the league to around 25 teams, and to get the league balanced out more. This is not something I want to do every season-- just something that I feel is a good idea now when there are still teams to be filled and there is still a big gap in overall talent from some teams to others. After the draft after this season, we will most likely go to dropping one starter the season after that, and in further seasons just dropping one player of the top 7 or 8 for each team. We may even get rid of it altogether. The draft I know is not popular with everyone, and it won't last forever. I just want to do this format of a draft one more time in order to get the league a good distribution of talent to all involved. Don't leave over this. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
Where would the Celtics be w/o the common draft? Nowhere. My only tradeable commodity was Mourning, and there's no way I could get fair value for that. W/o a way to improve my team the only trades I can do are scrub/scrub trades like Tony Battie for Kevin Ollie. I bet the rest of the league quaked when they saw those two giants were on the block. If you want to abolish the common draft then to be fair you should start over, reset all the rosters and do the three round draft all over again. Of course you'll be wiping out a ton of work and progress from all the General Managers and TheCat especially. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
I can live with this version too, as long as we keep things like they are for next season as you said (season 3) and not make too drastic changes for season 4 (still fork out 1 starter to the draft). What happens after that is no big deal for me as any change here will not affect my traded picks. ------------------ Join the CC.net NBA Sim ------------------------- The CC.net NBA Sim Homepage - Rosters & Stats - Official Trades
If you want to abolish the common draft then to be fair you should start over, reset all the rosters and do the three round draft all over again. Of course you'll be wiping out a ton of work and progress from all the General Managers and TheCat especially. It is unfortunate that some GM's got into the league late, but I have said all along this is a franchise mode, and I don't want to take away all the work we've done as GMs so far. While they did get the benefit of that first draft, they did not get Mourning/Hill for joining either. By one more season (or one-two months real life), we will probably have the league as full as it will ever be, and I will make sure and give everyone who joins ample opportunity to make up for lost time and have a chance. They'll get a high draft pick, compensatory player for joining, etc., much like you did. But that's the best I can and will do-- starting everything over really isn't an option, at least not now. If way down the road, like come the start of the NBA season, you guys want to take over the NBA rosters as they are right now again, then perhaps we can, but I don't want to wipe out everyone's work for a couple of new GM's who come in. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
Another question Cat now that you have stipulated how the draft will work: Lets say we get Gettinbranded to take Bulls as GM #20. He will then take the last incentive player. What happens if another GM or more want to join. (Lets say after we have started the season as I do not want the start of season 2 to be postponed )Will there then be an expansion draft? When will that draft take place? Next season? Who will participate in a draft like this? Only new teams after this season have started, or all teams in the lottery next season? And how will it work? I was thinking of adding info such as this on the Sim Homepage so it was easier for potential new GMs to see what happens if they join. (btw as Lil Pun didntcome back and Gettinbranded has yet to answer we might still only be 19) ------------------ Join the CC.net NBA Sim ------------------------- The CC.net NBA Sim Homepage - Rosters & Stats - Official Trades
It is unfortunate that some GM's got into the league late, but I have said all along this is a franchise mode, and I don't want to take away all the work we've done as GMs so far. While they did get the benefit of that first draft, they did not get Mourning/Hill for joining either. By one more season (or one-two months real life), we will probably have the league as full as it will ever be, and I will make sure and give everyone who joins ample opportunity to make up for lost time and have a chance. They'll get a high draft pick, compensatory player for joining, etc., much like you did. But that's the best I can and will do-- starting everything over really isn't an option, at least not now. If way down the road, like come the start of the NBA season, you guys want to take over the NBA rosters as they are right now again, then perhaps we can, but I don't want to wipe out everyone's work for a couple of new GM's who come in. That was sort of my point. If you get rid of the common draft then the only way you can have true parity is to start over, but because of the impracticality of that its better to continue the common draft for at least one more season, maybe two to level the playing field a bit. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
Here is the problem Heath. We were never told of any common draft until the end of the first season. I guess I should have said something then, but I did not see clearly the implications of such a draft. Now that I do, I really have little interest to spend time on a team I will lose, especially since I believe the league can thrive without one. Look at the NBA. Trades happen. Bad Teams get better and good teams get worse without throwing two starters in a draft. This draft is equal IMO to a rookie leaving a team after his contract runs out and more important after he develops as a player. I am just really hung on this fact, and it just doesnt make much sense to me. I am sorry. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
If we're going to complain about finding something out late, I guess I'll throw in that we didn't know this would be a franchise thing until after the first draft. Do you think I would have taken the Jazz if I knew this was going to be a franchise mode? I adjusted to it though, and I'm fine now. My team would have been so screwed if it wasn't for VOR saving me. No one was interested in Malone, and all I got were token offers. It was beyond frustrating, to the point where I emailed Cat about taking a different team. If we get rid of the draft, the good teams will stay good for a while, and the bad teams will stay bad for a while unless they get saved by another GM. It's easy to want to get rid of the draft when you have tradable players, but when you have old or just bad players, you pretty much twiddle your thumbs in this league. I just got REALLY lucky with VOR's deal. I don't have to worry about that anymore though, so who cares about the other teams with no talent. ------------------ All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 10, 2001).]
In the real NBA you also have free agency and a rookie draft after each season, none of which you have here. Also you are not really losing your team, just a few players on it. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
CAT, From what you said, I am in! No one will get the best team in the league. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
KBM, If you had the Knicks, would you still be wanting no common draft? ------------------ All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy. All work and no play makes Band Geek Mobster a dull boy.
