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Update:Target cutting hours due to rampant San Fran shoplifting, Walgreens leaving like Kevin Durant

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  1. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    6pm? Damn.

    is this because there’s no Police in San Francisco?
     
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    That's a really weird move on Target's part. They seriously can't prevent most of this? What's the problem? Don't pay their security enough?
     
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    I guess openly saying you won't prosecute pretty theft and misdemeanors is like the exact opposite of Broken Windows.

    Seems to be a political trend... To rip off that thinking cap and do the opposite of currently unpopular policies without nuance or consideration
     
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    I don't get this either, theft prevention is a large part of any big box store's security plan. I don't care enough to know enough about Target stores across the country, but I do know that

    @tinman is...

     
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    This is how you beat shoplifting... change the hours.... it's not like charging them would act as a deterrent or anything.
     
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    yeah...... because everyone wants to be revolutionary in their thinking.

    Most of the idiot politicians these days: "Hey you know that thing that has worked for thousands of years? Let's just stop."
     
  8. tinman

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    Hey Deck,

    In San Francisco, the police do not pursue petty crime, which is shoplifting (up to $700).
    Let's think about what the opportunity is for criminals.
    The homeless guy filling a trashbag full of cosmetics doesn't make sense right?
    But it does. The higher level criminals make the homeless and drug addicts steal all these items and pay them in cash or drugs.
    The higher level criminals can resale brand new items on the black market.

    https://abc7news.com/target-hours-san-francisco-walgreens-closing-sf-crime-near-me/10854900/

    That's where San Francisco Supervisor Ahsha Safai has stepped in. He's asked both the police department and the District Attorney's office to come up with a coordinated plan to reduce the organized retail crime and find out why San Francisco is apparently targeted more than anywhere else.

    "These are people who are recruited, organized and are reselling these good and San Francisco is hurting for it," said Safai.
     
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    Deck,

    Obviously some people here don't care about crime , but I do. The good news is the 99ers know why it's happening.
    Here's an article on Retail Wire, a site for retail stores. I'm not a political person like the majority of the lemmings on the D&D, just a superior Rockets fan and superior intellect. But it doesn't take a scientist with PHD to understand that if you decriminalize petty crime, that petty crime will increase.

    https://www.retailwire.com/discussi...turning-san-francisco-into-retails-wild-west/

    Organized theft is turning San Francisco into retail’s wild west

    The New York Times reports that the city’s board of supervisors heard last week from representatives of Walgreens who said that the number of thefts at its San Francisco locations was four times that of the average for the chain across the U.S. The drugstore giant has closed 17 stores in recent years, largely as the result of being unable to curtail profit-destroying thefts.

    There appears to be plenty of blame to go around when it comes to organized retail crime run amok in San Francisco,
    from limited legal consequences for first-time and repeat offenders and the lucrative nature of the illegal trading, primarily done via online platforms, such as eBay.
     
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    @Deckard
    @Os Trigonum
    @Invisible Fan

    This is happening in San Francisco because there's laws that allow for this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

    Proposition 47, also known by its ballot title Criminal Sentences. Misdemeanor Penalties. Initiative Statute, was a referendum passed by voters in the state of California on November 4, 2014. The measure was also referred to by its supporters as the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act.[2] It recategorized some nonviolent offenses as misdemeanors, rather than felonies, as they had previously been categorized.

    The crimes affected were:

    • Shoplifting, where the value of property stolen does not exceed $950
    • Grand theft, where the value of the stolen property does not exceed $950
    • Receiving stolen property, where the value of the property does not exceed $950
    • Forgery, where the value of forged check, bond or bill does not exceed $950
    • Fraud, where the value of the fraudulent check, draft or order does not exceed $950
    • Writing a bad check, where the value of the check does not exceed $950
    • Personal use of most illegal drugs (Below a certain threshold of weight)[3]

    Numerous media outlets have continued to report an increase in retail theft related to the passage of Prop 47. Large retailers Safeway, Target, Rite Aid and CVS pharmacies reported in 2016 that shoplifting increased from 15 percent to (in some cases) over 50 percent since voters approved Proposition 47.[26] The Los Angeles Times reported in 2017 that the California Supreme Court ruled that a person convicted of a felony for stealing a car may have that conviction reduced to a misdemeanor if the vehicle was worth no more than $950,[27] and in 2018 that researchers found Prop 47 contributed to a jump in car burglaries, shoplifting and other thefts.[28] The San Francisco Chronicle reported in 2018 that Prop. 47 led to a rise in the larceny theft rate of about 9 percent compared to the 2014 rate.[29]
     
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    The big companies and small companies are in the same boat there.

    The prop 47 law allows for it.

    So if you are a master criminal, you have plenty of homeless people and drug addicts who would do anything for money.
    There are at least 8000 homeless people in downtown San Francisco

    Say you tell them, I'll give $200 worth of heroin or $200 to buy heroin if you shoplift a playstation 5 and playstation 5 no disc drive (500,400 bucks, that's $900)
    you get 100 homeless/addicts to do it. that's $90000 worth of playstations to shoplift.
    you pay $20000, that gives you $70000 of profit if you sell if resale at retail.

    the cops won't stop it because it's under $950, it's just a misdemeanor, not worth the paperwork.

    the businesses lose money. they can handle the loss, but if there's a continuous amount of loss, that affects their bottom line.
    Also employees there won't feel safe with crackheads coming in all the time.
    Also think of the shoppers. they won't go there because the crackheads go there.
    That tanks the entire store's overall traffic and profit.

    There you go.
    @Os Trigonum @Deckard
     
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    This is what the criminals say to the police

     
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    Sounds like good intentions gone awry. The problem of the homeless needs to be addressed. Drug addiction needs to be addressed. They are two separate issues. If there is organized crime, connected with the hard drug trade, behind the increase in shoplifting? The police need to do a better job addressing it. If they need more resources, give it to them.
     
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    Oh lord yall are funny. Keep it up.

     
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    I didn’t make this up about the shoplifting
    That is really happening by people
    Not some spirits in the material world
     
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    There’s lots of problems in Texas
    Austin , Houston or wherever buck thinks I own homes in

    but at least we can to target and cvs after 6
     
  18. Buck Turgidson

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    Why don't you focus and spend time fixing the problems wherever it is you do live?

    Think global, act local.
     
  19. tinman

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    Hahahahaha
    Nobody on a basketball forum is fixing anything

    it’s not like we’re astronauts
    Walking on the moon
     
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    @rocketsjudoka
    It’s not just Target
    It’s a zombie shoplifting apocalypse in the Bay

     

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