(UPDATE: Saddam executed) Saddam to be hanged by Sunday

Men making decissions about taking the life of a sinner. Thou shall not Kill says the Lord. Mercy is what is demanded by God as he is the the one who judges all for their sins againd Him and against Humanity.

 

You haven't addressed the fact at all that there were inspectors on the ground in 2002 and even early 2003 in compliance with the UNSC resolution 1441 passed in fall 2002. That's not hindsight at all that was a fact during the build up to the invasion.

 

^^^

Quit confusing TJ with facts!

 

The facts have a clear "libpig" bias.

 

The irony of it all is that you're the extremist out of line with mainstream American thinking. You are more to the right then conservatives. I'm a moderate and you call me a libpig. Well, ya know, those so called libpig call me a facist republican. I guess that's how I know I'm a moderate, hate by both extreme sides.

Sorry TJ - you're just as misguided and off-kilter as your leftist brothers.

 

I'm a die hard liberal Democrat and I don't think you're a facist or a Republican. I just think you're a dork. But that's mostly from your insane performance in the Macaca thread. On Iraq though, you're dead on. And exactly in line with the experts (from both sides of the aisle) and mainstream America. Color me pleasantly surprised.

 

Militia blamed for taunts at Saddam's execution

Iraqi officials claim militia infiltrated Saddam Hussein's execution team withthe intent to inflame sectarian tensions

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.aspx?id=69125

Iraqi officials claim Saddam Hussein's execution was infiltrated by outsiders bent on inflaming sectarian tensions.

Authorities are questioning a guard at the prison where the hanging took place. They are trying to find out who filmed the event on a cellphone, and leaked the video.

The footage of the former dictator being taunted by Shi'ites as he stood on the gallows has sparked outrage across the Arab world.

Iraq's National Security Adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie admits things did not go to plan.

Another Iraqi official says the hanging was supposed to be carried out by hangmen employed by the Interior Ministry, but that militias infiltrated the executioners' team.

The US military says it would have handled the execution of Saddam Hussein differently.

However, US military spokesman Major General William Caldwell says all American responsibility for the former Iraqi leader ended when he was handed over earlier in the day.

He says the security measures at Saddam's hanging were the responsibility of the Iraqi government.

 

POV from India...

Hanging will haunt Bush

http://www.thestar.com/article/167592

HYDERABAD - I am taken aback by the reaction in India to Saddam Hussein's hanging. The anger cuts across religious and political divides.

This secular nation of 1.2 billion – the world's largest democracy and emerging economic powerhouse – has as many Muslims as Muslim Pakistan, at about 145 million. But its majority is Hindu and it has significant pockets of Christians, Sikhs, Zoroastrians and others. Yet the condemnation has been near universal.

More tellingly, there has been little or no echo here of the Iraqi sectarian divide, with the Shiites there celebrating Sunni Saddam's death.

There is even criticism, from both the right and the left, of the Indian government's muted response to the execution, New Delhi's stance dictated by the increasingly close relations with the U.S., exemplified by the controversial nuclear co-operation agreement.

If India is a key barometer of the non-Western world, and it often is, Saddam's hanging will come to haunt George W. Bush.

Far from being "an important milestone in Iraq becoming a democracy," as he so brazenly put it, the hanging is widely seen as an occupying power's jungle justice against a tyrant whose worst crimes were committed when he was an American ally but who was condemned only after he went against his benefactors.

He was responsible for killing 1 million Iranians in the 1980-'88 war and murdering and gassing tens of thousands of his own Shiite and Kurdish populations – war crimes whose details, and with them the West's complicity, went to the grave with him.

The lesson, said an editorial in the Deccan Chronicle, the regional English daily, is that "the U.S. will not tolerate leaders who do not follow its diktat."

The hanging has been the topic of conversation in both the public and private spheres. You can't escape it in any gathering.

The reaction is all the more remarkable given that, unlike in Europe and Canada, the death penalty is even more acceptable in these parts than in the United States. Muslims, in particular, have historically seen it as the price for maintaining law and order.

Burning Bush in effigy, Muslim crowds in several cities have been blaming him for the timing of the hanging, on the day of Eid al-adha, the festival that coincides with the end of the annual Haj pilgrimage and which symbolizes forgiveness and reconciliation. The media here have carried the quote of a pilgrim in Saudi Arabia: "Would it be okay if the president of the United States were to be hanged on Christmas Day?"

Protestors noted with admiration that, notwithstanding the secularist Saddam's frequent and brutal persecution of religious activities, he held up a copy of the Qur'an on the way to the gallows and had on his lips the kalima – "God is great," the first testament of Muslim faith, which the believers are also enjoined to repeat just before death.

An oft-stated sentiment has been that the wrong man has been hanged, given the tens of thousands killed under Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Muslims and non-Muslims alike have spoken well of what they saw as Saddam's dignified departure amid the mayhem in the hanging chamber, as captured on videos.

His composure and defiance in refusing a hood have been hailed as signs of personal courage. By contrast, his American and Iraqi captors and executors have been characterized as cowards. Noting his 3 a.m. burial, away from public spotlight, Siyasat, a secular Urdu language daily here, headlined: "Now they are afraid of his grave."

Saddam's sloganeering also hit the right note for many Indians. The message in his last letter ("Struggle on against the invaders," and "Long live Iraq ... Long live Palestine") and his last words on the gallows ("The nation will be victorious and Palestine is Arab") have found resonance among a people long supportive of Palestinian rights and vehemently opposed to the occupation of Iraq.

The letters to the editor columns have captured these sentiments well, as the following four by non-Muslims show.

"Saddam was fit to go down in history as a tyrant. Now he has been elevated to the status of a martyr by an impatient America," wrote Rajneesh Tiwari in the Hindu, the much respected English-language secular daily in south India.

"Although there were few sympathizers for Saddam, his execution will only increase hatred for America and other Western nations," wrote Aditya Deshpande in the same newspaper.

"It is because of American policies that terrorism is increasing in the world," wrote Dr. Chandra Sekhar.

"The Bush administration has destroyed an ancient civilization and its ruler. If Saddam deserved the death penalty for ordering the killing of 148 Shiites, what ought to be the penalty for Mr. Bush for the deaths of 600,000 Iraqis?" asked Ram Das.

When you think about it, the overall Indian response is perhaps not that different than the sentiment of Canadians in this regard. By this I do not mean the views of our political class and many in the media establishment, which remain under the spell of the American spin, but rather those of ordinary Canadians.

 

crazy.


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Saddam's execution blamed in boy's death
10-year-old apparently tried to mimic event he'd seen on TV


By RUTH RENDON
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

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A 10-year-old boy who apparently was mimicking the execution of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein accidentally hanged himself on New Year's Eve, authorities said.

Webster police Lt. Tom Claunch said officers were called to an apartment in the 800 block of NASA Parkway about 7:30 p.m. on Sunday and found the boy dead.

Sergio Pelico's mother told police he had watched a report on Saddam's death on a Telemundo news broadcast before he hanged himself, Claunch said.

"It appears to be accidental," he said of the boy's death. "Our gut reaction is that he was experimenting."

The Harris County Medical Examiner's Office said results of the boy's autopsy are pending.

As Webster police continued their investigation, family and friends gathered for a memorial service Wednesday for Sergio.

His uncle, Julio Gustavo, questioned why television news had to broadcast the former Iraqi dictator's death.

Saturday, one day after Saddam's execution, Sergio watched the news on TV with another uncle and asked what led to the former leader's demise, Gustavo said.

"His uncle told him it was because Saddam was real bad," Gustavo said outside the activity center of the Webster apartment complex where the memorial was being held. "He (Sergio) said, 'OK.' And that was it."

Gustavo said Sergio's mother left for work the afternoon of Dec. 31. Sergio and other youngsters were being watched by an uncle while other parents were preparing food for a New Year's party, Gustavo said.

At one point, one of the children noticed Sergio was gone and went to his bedroom, where he was found dead.

Webster police were called to the apartment. The boy had tied a slipknot around his neck while on a bunk bed, police said.

Gustavo said his nephew was a happy child who was very curious. The boy was a fifth-grader at Clear Lake City Elementary School, he said.


Pakistan incident

"I don't think he thought it was real," Gustavo said of Saddam's hanging. "They showed them putting the noose around his neck and everything.

"Why show that on TV?"

The video of Saddam's execution also apparently influenced a 9-year-old boy in Pakistan. Agence France-Presse reported the boy hanged himself from a ceiling fan while re-enacting Saddam's death with the help of his 10-year-old sister, authorities said.

California-based clinical psychologist Edward Bischof said Sergio may have been "modeling" or mimicking behavior he saw on television that he found interesting or exciting.

"I would think maybe this kid is trying something that he thinks fun to act out without having the emotional and psychological maturity to think the thing through before he acts on it," Bischof said.

He said there have been other cases where children were hurt or hurt others while acting out wrestling, fighting or extreme sports they saw on television. Children of Sergio's age often do not realize the danger of mimicking such behaviors until it's too late, Bischof said.

"Saddam Hussein was (shown) standing there with a noose around his neck probably a dozen times in an hour" on cable television, he said.

"This is a real case where TV appears to be a stimulant."

Parents should monitor what kids watch and make sure they talk to their children about what they are observing in order to explain it to them, Bischof said.

"What a tragedy for the family," Bischof said. "It must be just heartbreaking."


Neighbors mourn

Gustavo said he would encourage parents to not let their children watch the TV news if it is violent.

Sergio's death, Gustavo said, has been especially hard on his mother, Sara Pelico DeLeon, and his father, Celso Sontay, who lives in New Jersey.

Investigators learned Sergio had been upset that his father had not given him a Christmas present but had given his younger brother a gift. Police, however, do not believe it led the child to take his life.

Wednesday evening about 40 people crowded into the Waterford Apartments activity center to pay their respects.

A sobbing Sara DeLeon sat in a chair in front of her son's open casket as mourners hugged her and patted her on the shoulder. The white casket was surrounded by flowers.

A few feet away, Sontay thanked family and friends for attending the service.

Over the door was a black bow made out of a trash bag. Pictures of Sergio were taped to the door and on a wall.

Gustavo said relatives are struggling to get the money necessary to send the body to Guatemala for burial.

Stephanie A. Serrano of Crespo Funeral Home said her office would be visiting with the Guatemalan consulate's office today to make final arrangements for returning the body.

Chronicle reporter Lindsay Wise contributed to this report.

ruth.rendon@chron.com

 

well... Two of Saddam's Co-defendants Executed


they said the head came off one of them


now that's a video leak that needs to happen.

 

Do you honestly want to see something like that?

 

Hum...

Bush Chides Iraq Over Hussein Execution

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Tuesday the chaotic execution of Saddam Hussein looked like "kind of a revenge killing" and showed that the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki "has still got some maturation to do."

In his toughest assessment yet, Bush criticized the circumstances of Saddam's hanging and the execution of two top aides, including Saddam's half brother.

"I was disappointed and felt like they fumbled the _ particularly the Saddam Hussein execution," the president said in an interview PBS' Jim Lehrer.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/16/D8MMJE6G1.html

Here, let me finish the thought for you Jr.

"I was disappointed and felt like they fumbled the _ head."

 

Am I the only one who feels like this Iraq War was basically like a hyped up action blockbuster that had no plot and a terrible ending? Almost like Matrix 3