You are not too far away from the reality Northern Chinese see Shanghainese as Southern people, lots of Southern see Shanghainese as Northern. But culturally, I would consider them Southern. When I am cooling down, you can't help just realizing there are different people in both North and South. I was just really upset about the fact that slur came out claiming all Southern are p*****s, and all Northern are tough guys within such a promising thread, where we were talking about Chinese culture and possible mis-perception about it. I was just trying to show facts that historically speaking, that is just not the truth. p*****s aren't that soft, and tough guys aren't that tough. Anyway, I do feel bad to contribute ruining this thread.
Japs invaded us once? Really? Find a single Chinese historian that would agree with that. Seems to me that the 4th was Jiawu that cost us the northeast and Taiwan and the 5th was WWII. The third was during the Ming dynasty. Gee, I don't know. But seems to me that the Ming wasn't too long ago (at least not the 1000 years you claimed). The 2nd was in the Tang dynasty, which also wasn't beyond the 1000 years, not to mention I fail to see how 1000 years is such a critical factor. Indeed, why not 500? Why not 40? I dare say that the northerners didn't allow any invasion of China in the last 2 years. Damn they are good. The reason the Japs didn't invade China the first 3 times WASN'T because they didn't want to. It was because they CAN'T. They got beat, plain and simple. I'm sure it's no surprise to anyone that Japan's long term strategy had always been expanding first to Korea and invade China from there. OK I see, so you use qualifications to justify toughness. So defending against foreign invasion is considered tough, protecting a country's interest abroad is not. Did I get that right? Got it. Then, I love how you failed to reply the defence against the such of the Russians and Mongolians (and I certainly hope you didn't mean to claim that either was 1000 years ago). I did not mistake about my timeframe. The problem was, somewhere while reading your bs, I got bored and skimmed the rest of it. OK, 1000 year timeframe it is. I twisted history? Really? I was the one that said the warlords were the significant powers of the north? Let's see, KMT Northeast Army, 190,000 strong, pretty shabby huh? Certainly the warlords were more than minor nuissances, but to suggest they were the dominant powers in the region is laughable. It was a balance of power in which neither (the KMT and the warlords) wanted to really twist each other's arm, although there was significant fighting amongst the warlords. Yes, please do tell me the tough Northeast Army General Zhang. Please tell me how he was told not to return fire after the Japs shelled the KMT army. It is actually quite interesting that somebody brought Yue Fei into this thread. Shade of Yue indeed. And you are absolutely right. Nobody in that army fired a shot, nobody died... until they reached Shanghai, Hangzhou, Shandong, etc. As regarding General Ye, you wanted an example of a defender who was betrayed, I gave you one. So are you still gonna give me your bs that Chiang had nothing to do with the failures up north? Check out the fate of the defenders of Shanghai if you want to check out the fate of dissenters of Chiang's rule. Ironically that after he was released, he tried to back away from his alliance from the commies, and would have succeeded if the KMT armies hadn't started fighting on all fronts with the Japs. Btw, why stop talking about the Opium Wars? Hold on a second? Did you just tell me to go watch the historical documentaries? I thought they are commie propaganda. Yes, let's do talk about flag waving to invaders. I can't find a better example than the flag waving Jap bastards on Taiwan, who are still waving Jap flags. I believe most of them are of Fujian descent, hence making them souterners. Certainly, those traitors up in the north deserve to be shot, but it's laughable that you even insinuate that they represent the majority of the population. Yes yes, blame my dirty attack against the southern Chinese. I mean, I'm doing it because I feel venomous towards them. That's why I don't launch dirty attacks against the Sudanese or the Somalians, etc. the only reason I bother knocking on the southerners is because I actually give a damn about them. All Indonesians can die from malaria for all I care, but I actually wish the southern Chinese well, hence I try to get them to grow a pair, cuz they'd be better off for it.
Has anybody brought up Mengke Bateer yet? While Chinese, he is ethnically Mongoloan, I believe, so his toughness can't be question, and he also lacks a soft shooting touch, as the Mongols were not known for their finesse. Actually, I am kidding; To be serious for a second, while cultural influences are palpable, ethnic stereotypes like these are silly for any race. Until maybe the 60's, stereotypes about boxing in America were really prevalent. They went a little like this: Irish-American boxers were supposedly great brawlers, because of their penchant for raucous behavior and drunken barroom brawling; Italian-American boxers were great at taking a punch, since they were mediterranean machos, same with Hispanic boxers; Jewish boxers were supposedly great tacticians, since they had calculating jewish minds; African american boxers were wildly atheletic with no technique, like wild animals. It was garbage, all of it, boxers were all in different styles depending on their abilities and training; but silly ethnic stereotypes had little, if any , to do with it.
