With no yao and tmac I would much rather have gay. Morey needs to step his game up. All these GMs are getting talent for nothing 2. I mean Danny Ainge turned a lotto team to a championship team in one summer.
You are right, there is more than trying to find guys that put up nice nummbers, but Rudy is just one guy, do you expect him to carry that team. They have nobody but him, he is basically the only guy left over from when Jerry West was the GM of that team. Rudy is a great player, but just because he was on a bad team doesnt take anything away from him. He is by far better than Battier. This is easier to see since it been a couple of years after the trade.
While I am also getting a bit inpatient, those GMs didnt have 40 million in street clothes for most of the season.
You can thank chris wallace for the LA championship. Morey needs to drug up one of these other gms to get what we want.
Come on people, you seriously can't get over this? We got Battier because we needed the right role players around Tmac and Yao. We thought we could contend; didn't really think about health issues. I love Rudy but he was the focal point on a bad team. As soon as they got Mayo, Rudy's stats slipped a little and he doesn't play defense. Yes, Rudy is a good player and he is young but we didn't exactly trade him for trash. GET OVER IT.
Well, that's the big point isn't it? You're right. I don't have unrealistic expectations from Morey. I think Morey will do good at whatever he does, and make the best decision possible based on what he has to work with. Meaning, good things will happen. I'm just not like some that expect things to appear out of thin air.
We are over it, there nothing we can do about it. I am just pointing out that Morey also made some mistake too. Because people on clutchfans make him into this God like person. He is a really good GM overall and I am glad to have him. But we have to win a champ in order for me to say he is god like. And when you entire team doesnt play def, you dont play def. If Rudy was in the Rockets system, he would play hard def just like everyone else on the team.
It doesn't matter who the other 4 players are on the court, or whether you're rebuilding or looking to contend right away. There is literally no scenario in which you'd rather have Shane Battier than Rudy Gay. Not one. You could have 4 of the biggest all-offense no-defense ballhogs in the league, and Gay would still be the better option as the 5th starter than Battier.
having rudy gay instead of battier would not have equaled championship. kobe would smother us for 50 a night if it wasn't for his shadow aka shane. gay would be nice now, but we needed battier with tmac and yao.
TRUE STORY HERE: Last Year in Yahoo! Fantasy Basketball League, I was known as Daryl Morey's Ballers... and guess what? I won 1st Place in my League! =D This was a 10-Team ROTO League... I turned my team from this (On Draft Night...) 1. (5) Amar'e Stoudemire 2. (16) Josh Smith 3. (25) Paul Pierce 4. (36) Rudy Gay 5. (45) Ron Artest 6. (56) Jamal Crawford 7. (65) Josh Howard 8. (76) Ben Gordon 9. (85) O.J. Mayo 10. (96) T.J. Ford 11. (105) Beno Udrih 12. (116) Derrick Rose 13. (125) Grant Hill 14. (136) Jeff Green 15. (145) Steve Blake 16. (156) DeShawn Stevenson 17. (165) Jarrett Jack TO THIS: ( ) Ron Artest (LAL - SG,SF,PF) . Chris Bosh (Tor - PF,C) Aaron Brooks(Hou - PG,SG) Mike Conley (Mem - PG,SG) Samuel Dalembert (Phi - C) LeBron James (Cle - SF) Jason Kidd (Dal - PG) Kevin Love (Min - PF,C) Antonio McDyess (Det - PF,C) Andre Miller (Phi - PG) Brad Miller (Chi - C) Jermaine O'Neal (Mia - PF,C) Shaquille O'Neal (Cle - C) Chris Paul (NO - PG) Rajon Rondo (Bos - PG) Derrick Rose (Chi - PG) Dwyane Wade (Mia - PG,SG) I was trying to find out the numerous trades that I did to get this team, but since this team was archived, I can't pull up that information unfortunately... And NO, I'm not Daryl Morey, nor am I a wizard... LOL
I can think of a couple of scenarios in which you'd rather have Battier: 1) You're an NBA coach. 2) You're an NBA GM. Here's a scenario in which you'd probably prefer Rudy Gay: 1) You're a stats-infatuated fan. Just sayin'.
I think it's not so much expectations for Morey but rather just hope. Note that there's almost never any hate threads for Morey. Even when we were missing out on Jefferson and VC, there's generally only mild criticism of Morey. For the whole Gay debate, did we or did we not have a healthy Yao and a healthy T-Mac at the time? Or was Morey suppose to think "Screw winning now, I need to plan for the future when T-Mac and Yao break down together at the same time two years from now?" On the second point, Boston had Kevin Mchale on their side. Lakers had Jerry West on their side. I guess the point is that we need Carroll Dawson to become the GM of the Hornets and then trade CP3 to us for "cost cutting reasons". CP3 + current Rockets team = championship.
All I expect form Morey is something like this. Trade Battier, Scola and Lowry to Protland for Prizbilla, Outlaw and Fernandez. Then trade TMac and Landry to Pheoenix. Pheonix sends Amare to Houston and Richardson to Detroit Detroit sends Hamilton to Houston. Now we have Prizbilla / Amare / Hayes Ariza / Outlaw Hamilton / Fernandez Brooks / FA When we go small Amare Outlaw Hamilton Fernandez Brooks Thats a nice young team that can grow together. Of course we would have to outscore everyone but it would be fun to watch.
Yeah, go around and ask every NBA coach and GM who they'd rather have. I'd be genuinely surprised if every single one of them didn't say Gay (outside of maybe Morey/Adelman). To be clear, I'm not saying no coach/GM would have made that trade back when it happened. I'm just saying that, 3 years later, Gay is CLEARLY the better player to have, no matter if you're rebuilding or looking for that final piece, or if you've got a bunch of ballhogs or a bunch of role players.
Well team usually win with some young talents and then a couple of stars. We gave up Gay but did not get a star in return. Battier is a great player, but we could have replace Battier with Posey at the time. There are many glue guys in the league, almost every single team have one. I am just saying we gave up too much for Battier, Morey overvalue Battier even if he was trying to win now. And I totally agree with getting CD to help us out, cause he basically never did as a GM in Houston.
No GM is perfect, and there will always be mistakes in hindsight. I think Morey has done fairly well, and considering the Rockets situation at the moment, he would have to be Houdini to get them to championship contention this upcoming year. Have to be patient.
you guys are just hopeless! Did we trade Shane straight up with Gay? NO, we also trade that hopeless, horrible Stromile Swift contract as well. can you imagine we still have his contract with us right now? Maybe Gay > Shane , comparing individual to individual. BUT you can ask every single GM this question: Gay+Stromile Swift vs Shane? And we signed this stupid 6 years MLE contract with Swift? CD.
