This is an area that needs regulation and oversight, but that's not a reason to murder individual executives of companies.
RIP I'm sure other insurance CEOs will take note and add more personal security. Get ready for that insurance bump. My morality has been shot long ago, so what do I know?
FYI: The homicide clearance rate declined 9% in 2020, continuing a downward trend that began in the 1960s. In 2022, the clearance rate was at about 50%, meaning that just half of murders resulted in an arrest and fewer than half result in a conviction. https://counciloncj.org/homicide-tr...nce rate declined,half result in a conviction. https://www.statista.com/statistics/194213/crime-clearance-rate-by-type-in-the-us/ I'm sure they will make VERY SURE They find this guy and MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF HIM even if they get the wrong guy . . .. THEY MUST MAINTAIN ORDER AND SHOW YOU CANNOT MURDER THE RICH!!! Rocket River
No one is saying that. . . Seriously it is VERY F'D UP but Insert Chris Rock Gif here I am generally seeing what people are saying .. . The question is: How many people did he MURDER with his policies? (I know you will say he murdered no one . . .. . I would ask . . .Define Murder) Rocket River
Yes - we live in a society where men, and especially white men - have a lot of power, influence and have set the "rules" for hundreds of years. There is a lot of ingrained favoritism and beliefs that people do not even realize they have.
I'm sure there's many stories like this we can find but this reddit thread from 5 months ago on united health practices is telling:
Let's just wait and see - I will just tell you that the amount of people, including middle and upper middle class that have no real sadness or empathy for what happened is shockingly high for even me... and it isn't all "leftists" either. My wife is a Maverick politically, and she is the only person close to me that really said anything negative about what happened.... and then after she read more about the victim, she said "not a shock someone had enough".... there are very strong swings in the time of instability, one "side" or special interest group thinks that they are on top of the world or believes they understand the psyche of the people in the time of chaos - and they end up on the chopping block. You can point out that murder is wrong (it is) and that this man was "just doing his job" - but his company is responsible for a lot of dead people, and he faced no consequences other than massive bonuses and salaries.... until now, he is dead and all his money and all of his "it's just business" claims mean nothing.
There is a reason that so few people are upset about what happened - it isn't something discussed, but a lot of people have either been denied coverage or know someone that has been, and United Health is notorious for it. There is this idea that some have that the people are always going to look up to the ultra-wealthy - the billionaires...... but you know this as well as I do, when changes are made, and if things do not get better, people with come up with their forks and knives for those that have profited off of the misery of the everyday person.
I posted this about 15 minutes before the 'words on shells' news broke. I've been thinking about it since yesterday and there are otherwise rational people who will take matters into their own hands when they perceive that normal processes fail. This doesn't even have anything to do with our government, our constitution or current events. It's human nature that when a person is pushed to their own specific limits, they will move to another level. The second amendment was ostensibly devised as another check to tyranny. You hear the argument 'the US military has tanks and Blackhawks, etc, there's no way Joe Redneck could ever fight that!' and that is absolutely true. But a situation like this is something that a person who perceives that action is warranted has the tools to use to take what they think the proper action is. As far as applying the term tyranny to an insurance company: look at the power this company exercises and how it inhumanly denies claims using AI. You can apply the definition of tyranny to this case: arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority. It was already the leader in denying claims and it implemented machine learning, which the assassinated exec approved, and it bumped up the denial rate. Inarguably, people are not getting medical care due to the claims process by this company. Even if it's 'legal' by their terms, it's obviously past the point normal people can tolerate. It's important to note that most people who have this mindset and motivation won't act, but if someone leads the way and does something like this, there will be others who follow. Just to clarify, I don't condone this action, but my brain works differently to try more creative angles and strategies to problems that most people I've dealt with in my life. I've never resorted to violence to solve a problem. Much like the Trump assassination attempts, we will see more of this, and increased security, laws, shakedowns, whatever, isn't going to stop it. The only thing that will help is legislation to curb corporate greed. That means the political process will be affected. I hope everyone is paying attention.
I think you are out of touch. I've watched a couple YouTube videos and Reddit threads and the comments a universally against the CEO. It's ambivalence at best that he died to schadenfreude and joy. I haven't seen a single comment in support of the CEO. Many, many comments about people getting screwed over by the health care industry - financial ruin, death and misery. This isn't just lefties. It's ordinary people. Many comments are even pro shooter. Basically saying "He's a hero", "we saw nothing" and "jury nullification". The wealth disparity and the corrupt ways some of this wealth is accumulated is reaching a boiling point.
@Rocket River @Os Trigonum In the hood you can get murdered for cutting in line at Popeyes Is cutting in line wrong ? Sure Will this stop people from cutting in line at Popeyes? No @basso @Salvy @ROXRAN Oh I hate the ‘rich’ is the reason because it’s injustice that some dude has a nicer chain than me maybe if you had a cross over you can afford a chain
What CEO of a large company doesn’t make lots of money? Healthcare is a complicated topic and everyone has issues with insurance companies however if person A justifies killing person B then person B can justify killing person A in self defense @AroundTheWorld @basso
Millions of people would take the job, but it's immoral. Would you? That's like the old question "If you had a button that would kill a random person, but gave you a million dollars would you press it. How many times." This is almost the exact situation this guy was in. He pressed the button over and over.
Couple of things. As privileged and awful this man probably was - let's not forget he was still law-abiding, a father, a husband, and a human being. Emotionally - I don't feel a ton for the guy, but yeah, it's disturbing. A lot of people in NYC are very disturbed by this. Assassinations in a major city in broad daylight on citizens is something that should disturb EVERYONE. I don't see a lot of liberals celebrating this - but I do see a lot pointing out how awful UHC is,. And it is an awful company. So awful that I dropped them to go HSA instead. But the thing is, these kinds of acts wont make UHC a better company. That's now how you reform systems. This is where reform is needed. Insurance is regulated for these kinds of reasons and people need better options. Also it's not the insurance companies fault entirely either. You can't just look at one aspect of the problem. When the people who run non-profit hospitals pay themselves 100x what doctors earn, you know why that hospital bed is so expensive. Reform is needed.
I don't see any useful discussion from this angle. When millions fo people are negatively affected at a basic level of having their life on the balance because of the greedy decisions of some executives they never met, out of those millions there will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS be a few people from that pool that feel like the grievances they experienced as a result of said executive is worthy of execution. That's life. No amount of moralizing about you not agreeing with it will stop it. The only thing that would stop it is executives having the fear of God put into them at least that is the belief of those that desperate to believe assassination is the only option because they turned nihilist understanding that the entity that is supposed to fight against exploitation of citizens that is the government is bribed off by the same executives that are making these life altering decisions for millions of people. This is the end product of nihilism due to believing there is no legal means to correct a perceived injustice towards you or a loved one.
well just dipped into this thread for the first time, wish I hadn’t. A new low for the D&D, the usual lefty suspects explaining/rationalizing/justifying an assassination in broad daylight on the streets of NYC.
Doublehorn Ranch? I remember when they built that place and it was being unapologetically marketed, on the radio, to good old boy conservatives. That was like 2002 or so.
