Union slobs want more pay during recession; threaten strike at 11 Houston refineries

I am now or have been a member in 3 different unions. 1 sucked, and made things more difficult for everyone.

The second one did make some things more difficult, and regulated things beyond common sense, but at the same time, they did a great job keeping "management" from taking advantage of the "workers". The managers were horrible, and made a lions share of the profit, and definitely needed the union to check them.

The third union is by far the best. It really does institute higher standards and requirements for the workers ensuring that they do better work. They also fight bloat and greed from the management side. There are a few things anti-management beyond reason, but not that many. This union is definitely beneficial for everyone. They are absolutely essential, and more than makes up for any of the shortcomings in Union 1, and 2.

 

If we revoke the Unions
The American worker will be on this Sweatshops. . instead of the Chinese Workers

Nothing like work 16 hours a day for 3$ an Hour

Look at America PRE-UNION
it ain't pretty . . .. in fact it is d*mn near inhuman . .
d*mn sure INHUMANE


Rocket River
Unions .. the people who brought you Weekends

 

Calling union workers lazy is a gross generalization.

My grandfather was the hardest working guy I have ever known. Every day he packed a sandwich in his black metal lunch pail and went to work on the docks. He was a Longshoreman.

I seriously doubt that those decrying the unions in this thread could do that job for a day, and certainly not for 40 years.

Are there some unions that have abused the notion of collective bargaining? Sure. I submit that it is the overwhelming minority that have done so. It just sounds cool to look at the UAW and attribute that to all unions.

Reality is something far different.

 

If all those things were collectively bargained then why is the failure of the companies the fault of the unions? What about the hot shot Harvard MBA's that are running those companies? Outmanuevered by a bunch of grease monkeys?

If it's my job to run a company and it goes under then I'd consider that my fault and my responsibility, not the fault or reponsibility of my employees. Where did this blame the unions thing come from? How about blame the CEO's whose salaries have risen who knows how many times the average employee and then get million dollar bonuses for ruining the company? Why don't we just start taking the focus off the unions and start putting it where it belongs... in the exec board rooms and on Wall Street where all those pansy ass finance majors gladly accept our billions in tax money while they look for the next innovative way to subvert regulations and swindle some segment of society out of their collective life savings.

 

I can assure you that the Longshoremen that I have known were the sort that didn't put forth "minimum effort."

These guys were exhausted at the end of the day. As an adult, I saw what that job entails. I only then appreciated the work that my grandfather and his co-workers did. At the same time, I appreciated my education all the more because I don't know if I could physically do that job.

 

Good point. What would really drive the point home is if you knew, say, a longshoreman who worked really hard, and then you could make a generalization that all union workers work hard. That would be logically consistent.

GIG EM

 

Fixed.

Also, lol at texxx's finally finding a quote from somebody that backs up an exaggerated claim of his and getting to use it. I guess that everybody gets their day in the sun, instead of having their own evidence of self-contradiction thrown in their face everyday.

 

Damn, I realized my typo and wanted to address it before texxx stomps over it. My bad. Joke over, g'night folks.

 

Yet somehow I was able to get promoted to a staff position. Hmmm....what does that say about management within the oil industry?

Two questions for you lil-tex:
1) I was a control board operator...meaning I could not leave my console for 12 hours. What exactly could I have been doing to add value to the company. Remember, you have 1st hand knowledge, so here's your chance to be my boss.

2) What did I do to get promoted? Again, call on that 1st hand knowledge.


Bonus question: Why do you and your brother have a higher post per day average than me? Especially since I spend weeks at a time, doing nothing but post here.

 

I once met a Republican who ate babies and now I believe that all Republicans eat babies

My name is bigtexxx and my logic is unimpeachable

 

My experience with unions has primarily been through construction and pretty much all of them are hardworking. The other thing that I've noticed about union construction workers is that the are also more knowledgeable and more reliable than non-unionized workers. The non-unionized workers are certainly cheaper but because they aren't as reliable or knowledgeable sometimes you aren't saving money and might cost you more.

 

Highly unlikely...

Leaving exploitation of workers aside one big advantage of having unions is that they helped to build up our consumer economy. One problem the PRC is having right now is that while they have been growing there still isn't enough of a consumers yet to take up the slack from diminished exports.

 

UP THE WOKER!

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Well, you're half right. You do control my emotions....I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Thanks

 

this thread sucks

 

I hate to take BT's side in this, but the quote he used is pretty much a damning quote. It isn't like the quote said "I have a boring job." It said that you do nothing at all but post on the internet.