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Unfairenheit 9/11 - The Lies of Michael Moore.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DCkid, Jun 22, 2004.

  1. bamaslammer

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    These people are all liberals, just like all of the other slobbering admirers of that fat, disgusting pig. What do you think they'll say, it sucked! Geez, you people are ridiculous.

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  2. MacBeth

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    1. Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong.
    2. I know this because they're biased.
    3. I know they're biased because they disagree with me.
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    You pulled one review out of 35 from the front page ~ please continue wearing your desperation like a personal badge of courage as you further entrench yourself as the BBS…

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  4. bamaslammer

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    THEY ARE LIBERALS. Read what they said. Of course they agree with all of Moore's bull**** conspiracy theories and of course they'll love them presented in cinematic form. Yes they disagree and yes....they are wrong. You are ridiculous.
     
  5. MacBeth

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    Oh, well, when you put it like that...





    Question: bama: Have you ever considered, for one second, the remote possibility that people might have a view on the war not terribly unlike Moore's without doing so out of a political predisposition?
     
  6. Harrisment

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    Just saw the movie and thought it was really good. Political feelings aside, I think this is a movie everyone should see, no matter which side you are on. Especially if you are going to sit around and try to debate it.
     
  7. Harrisment

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  8. ron413

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    But what did you really learn through this movie that would help you debate?

    I personally learned from Fahrehfeit 9/11 that its very easy to play the blame game against the Bush Administration (even though the Democrats were just as involved in some of the voting decisions that were so frowned upon after the fact) and that editing does wonders for distorting however you want to connect dots A,B & C that may not necessarily be connected.

    Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a good entertaining movie.
     
  9. Harrisment

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    I meant debate the movie, not the issues. Sorry, after I reread that it isn't very clear.
     
  10. ROXRAN

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    that's the thing...there isn't anything to learn from a crap content edited together film that is feverent on lies...except you lie, cheat and steal...lie, cheat, and steal....
     
  11. Oski2005

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    If you watch the Daily Show, you have seen quite a bit of what F 9/11 says. Time to boycott the Daily Show fellas.
     
  12. mc mark

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    #1 with a bullet!
     
  13. Lil Pun

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    So can I get some reviews from a person not associated with a political party?
     
  14. Faos

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    My "boycott" was strictly tongue in cheek. I don't think they make the emoticon.
     
  15. giddyup

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    Did anybody see Michael Moore on "60 Minutes" last evening?

    They showed some of his butchery of President Bush in the 7 minutes after he had received news of the events of 9/11. Moore criticized him for reading the kids the book he was scheduled to read. Moore mocked him for doing nothing... for 7 minutes... except reading a book.
     
  16. DCkid

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    Seven whole minutes? :eek:

    ...that's pretty weak.
     
  17. wizkid83

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    I liked the movie. It was much better than Bowling (where I thought he lost the point he was making), it's done as well as Roger and Me.

    The movie is definitely politically biased, but if you want to laugh, cry, be angry, feel pain, sorrow and joy all within 2 hrs I sincerely recommend you seeing this movie. Heck, some of the attacks on Bush isn't even political, just personal stuff like SNL, though it's funnier because he's actually doing it.
     
  18. RocketMan Tex

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    I saw it on Saturday. Here are my observations:

    1. The movie is at it's most powerful during the last 1/3rd when they are telling the story of the Mom whose son was killed in Iraq. It puts a human face on the entire issue.

    2. Moore, to me, was equally as harsh during the movie on the Democrats and the media for not standing up to Bush and asking the questions that needed to be asked during the run-up to war.

    3. I have no idea why Conservatives are so up in arms over this movie. Michael Moore isn't doing anything with this movie that Rush Limbaugh hasn't done on the radio during the last decade, and at least Moore wasn't jacked up on Oxycontin while he was making the movie!:D
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    Bush gets the hatchet in 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
    By WILLIAM RASPBERRY
    Copyright 2004 Washington Post
    Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 is everything you've heard. It is a searing indictment of the Bush administration's war on terror. It is an eye-opening exposé of a president whose inexperience and limited intelligence make him tragically unsuited for the job.

    It is a masterful job of connecting the dots between Saudi money and the business interests of the president and his friends. And it is an overwrought piece of propaganda -- a 110-minute hatchet job that doesn't even bother to pretend to be fair.

    That last may be a part of its appeal: There is no hidden agenda, no subliminal message. Moore thinks George W. Bush is dumb, devious and dangerous, and needs to be voted out of the office. He doesn't have that much good to say about the Democrats or John Kerry, their presumptive candidate. But it's mostly about how bad Bush is.

    It's easy enough to see why Republicans hated the movie before they ever saw it, why they used their influence to try to stop its production and distribution, and why, having failed at that, they are calling on theater owners not to show it.

    But why did the mostly liberal crowd at last week's Washington premiere -- people who like to think of themselves as thoughtful and fair-minded -- applaud so unrestrainedly?

    They applauded, I suspect, for much the same reason so many members of the black Christian middle-class applaud the harangues of Black Muslim Minister Louis Farrakhan. Some of his facts may be wrong and some of his connections strained, but his attitude is right.

    What's more, he'll say in plain language what nice educated people cannot bring themselves to say: The man is a devil.

    I thought the Bush administration was wrong to launch its unprovoked war on Iraq from the beginning. Fahrenheit makes it easier to believe that the war was not simply a horrible mistake based on overextrapolation from slim evidence.

    I've long had my doubts about the president's intellectual gifts. Moore tempts me to doubt his basic competency.

    There is that 9/11 scene at a Florida elementary school where the president is reading to a group of children when an aide whispers in his ear that an airliner has crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center. He blanches at the horrible news, but then returns to his reading: My Pet Goat. He even hangs around a short time when he's given word that the second WTC tower has been hit.

    What should he have done? Was he well-advised not to show panic? I don't know, and Moore doesn't tell us. He is content to give us the impression of a man who has no idea what to do unless there is someone there to give him instructions.

    Or of a man who only pretends to care about terrorism.

    There is the vacationing President Bush making a grim-faced denunciation of some terrorist action, then turning back to his golf game with: "Now watch this drive."

    You can tell how bad that looks -- but should he have bagged his clubs after delivering that TV message? To what purpose?

    The movie is full of such slyness -- and if Moore is afraid it's too subtle for you, he'll spell it out in one of his numerous voice-overs.

    But it's not all slyness.

    The most powerful story in the film is that of Lila Lipscomb, from Moore's hometown of Flint, Mich., who, when we meet her, is boasting of her family's military service. A daughter served in the Gulf War, and a son is serving in Iraq. Later, after the son is killed, she reads, on camera, his last letter home in which he tells her how pointless and wrong and destructive the war seems to him.

    And now this woman, who "used to hate those (Vietnam War) protesters," is a peculiarly effective war protester herself.

    Will the film (along with the recent spate of books questioning the administration's approach to fighting terrorism) produce a similar about-face on the part of the American public?

    I wish Moore had been more scrupulously honest, more interested in examining other points of view, less inclined to make the facts line up to serve his purposes. But I can't say he reached the wrong conclusion.

    Raspberry is a Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist based in Washington, D.C. (willrasp@washpost.com)

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/2650241
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    I thought Moore carried himself pretty well on the Daily Show. He was very clear that the facts in this film are the facts and his opinions are very clearly liberal opinions.

    It is hard to dispute the facts, though.
     

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