I'll take Shaq, Duncan, Carter, Francis, & Jordan (who comes out of retirement again). Ya can't beat that team! ------------------
Come on guys... There aren't any Kings fans anymore... After Sac got knocked out of the playoffs last year, they all defected and started following a REAL team.... ... the Golden State Warriors... ------------------ "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS..." - Mark Twain -
(ROTFLMAOWTIME).......WHEW that's funny 4play...surprised I'm here? [This message has been edited by slugking (edited September 13, 2000).]
I'd take Hakeem, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, Kidd. Backups: Mourning, Webber, Hill, Nowitzki, Carter, Payton, Francis. IR: Detlef Schrempf and Air Bullard. That team would be un-bea-ta-ble. No Shaq - he would just ruin the free-throw-percentage - and no Iverson - he would just ruin team chemistry. [This message has been edited by Det The Threat (edited September 13, 2000).]
Btw, that team would kick any streetball "legends"' asses. They are not only better, but also more TALENTED than any streetball players in the world.
Chris Webber: 99-00 Sac 75 38.4 20.6 48.3 5.5 75.1 1.3 28.4 2.5 10.5 4.6 1.6 1.7 2.9 3.5 24.5 Mo Taylor: 99-00 LAC 62 35.9 15.9 46.4 3.2 71.1 0.1 12.5 1.5 6.5 1.6 0.8 0.8 2.7 3.5 17.1 Which one would you rather have for the max?
If MO pull a great season and consider that we got to have a cap space for Anderson and Francis, I doubt it so much that regardless of CD and Rudy T. is so much interested on webber, they will definitely looking on this issue in different perspective ------------------ Rudy T. will find and fulfill Rockets destiny.
>> Thanos << I appreciate your view about giving Mo a chance...and we will. However, you have to keep in mind that Mo just fell into our laps for a really good price. He is just plugging a hole in our roster this season until we can get the most coveted free agent next year (Webber, if you didn't know) or draft one from next year's deep draft. The Rox never had their sights on Mo and if you recall didn't sweat all the "Mo signiing with Seattle" b/s. We could have taken him or left him. And about your comment...."It puzzles me how people expect loyalty but show none when it doesn't fit their plans" How can you say that? What loyalty has Mo shown to anyone? I mean, at his press conference with the Rox, he plainly stated that he is playing for a contract....That where his loyalties lie...in the all mighty dollar! He will go to the highest bidder, period. There is no loyalty there, so why not look to move him or look to next year? That's something for you to think about. ------------------
I´m sorry Franchise Cat, but you are mistaken. Both Rudy and CD have been wanting to pursue Mo for quite awhile. They both have stated so, and as i remeber clearly, CD even mentioned his crossover and how a big man isn´t supposed to be able to do that. How he was young and would be able to grow with our core. Listen to Mo´s press conference and other Rudy and CD quotes and see for yourself. I´m not sure where you are getting your info about what CD and Rudy expect of Mo, but you are flat out wrong. I´m not second guessing here - Mo wasn´t signed to plug a hole. He is in it for the long haul, bet on it, unless he doesn´t prove himself. Some people think that pro athletes should have a different set of rules for them when it comes to money. I don´t think so. Looking out what´s best for you and stating that you hope to be able to do what´s financially better for yourself in the long run is what everyone wants. Why a bball player should be any different? I have faith in the kid. Some people aren´t willing to even give him a chance and think the Rockets are a Fantasy Team for them to play GM with. Oh, let´s get Webber. Oh let´s get Finley. Sorry to break it to you guys, but it just DOESNT work that way. And when you talk about behavior, it would seem that most people don´t realise that Webber has been a bad seed ALL his carrer, and only settled down in SAC-town. Before that he was as troublesome as a lighter Rider. You can drool over Webber all you want. You are just being unfair to Mo, and feeding delusional thoughts of Webber in a Rockets uniform, which, i´m sorry to tell you, will NOT happen. have a nice day. ------------------ "The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It´s Heaven and Hell!"
C-Webb could come here. Chris has a few ties to H-Town with Ray Jackson and Jimmy King both residing here. He also knows that coming here, he would get the ball down low. He's only 27 nad just starting to reach his potential. Some of you might be saying potential?!@$%^ Think abou it, MJ didn't win his first championship until he was 29. The years before, the MJ critics( now disquised as his greatest fans) used to talk about him not reaching the pinnicle. Also, I think a team has to be willing to make sacrifices looking towards the ultimate goal. Everyone here probably b*****d and moaned when Houston traded OT for Clyde and they finished with the 6th seed. Then cheered when they won it all. My point is this, C-Webb is a much better player than Mo Taylor. no offfense to Mo, but he can't do the things that make Chris so good. I think if Chris came here, he would make Steve that much better. On the blocks, name 4 players that are better than him. It can be argued that Tim Duncan and KG are but when you look at their numbers head to head, Chris dominated. Never has Chris been on a team that had 2 or 3 other players that could score night in and out. If he came to Houston, It would be himself, Steve, Cat and Walt. Defensively, he makes up for most of his teams poor play. I could see Steve and Chris being the Y2K version of Stockon and Malone. They would bring the best out of each other. I think that if Houston had the opportunity to get C-Webb, they would. I also believe that Mo would stay for the opportunity to win a title. Not many teams would be able to match that team. I think Rudy T working with Team USA has done more for recruiting potential players to Houston than anything. Once they come back with the GOLD and word begins to spread about how passionate Rudy T is about his team and the game, they won't have enough money to pass around. I say look for C-Webb in Rockets #2 next year. ------------------
>> Thanos << Ok....I guess we have to agree to disagree. You are right about what CD and Rudy T said about Mo. He does bring a lot of offensive talent, I mean how many 4's have a crossover? But in the same token, what did you expect them to say at the press conf? The he sucks at rebounding and defense? NO. Like I said though, you have very valid points, but Webb has the total package where as Mo, has some ways to go. We'll leave at that for now. ------------------
Just to wrap this up: Obviously i NEVER said that Mo as good or even near Webber´s level. Webber is a superstar and arguably in the top 4 of his position, while Mo is a kid who has a lot of upside and has yet to prove himself. All i expect people to do is give him a fair shot at proving himself before entertaining dreamcasting cenarios of Webber arriving, which i´m sure everyone would agree is nothing more than wishful thinking at this point. And i wasn´t even talking just about Mo. We owe Shandon a big paycheck next year and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool, IHMO. Some people have said that they would trade anyone short of Francis for Webber. Cuttino and Shandon are untouchables, IHMO, and so is Cato if he proves himself the same applying to Mo. ------------------ "The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It´s Heaven and Hell!"
One big question other than the cap problems is if Mo could play small forward and consistently hit the three. He seems to have the ballhandling skills and quickness, but the question is if he can develop the range and passing skills until next season. If he could play the SF position, the Rockets with Webber would be a big enough team, but at the same time still be fast and athletic. It would make sense for Mo to switch to the SF position, since he does not seem to like hanging under the boards and wrestling for rebounds anyway. His numbers already look more like SF numbers. 9-player-rotation: PG: Francis (6'3), Norris (6'1) SG: Anderson (6'6), Mobley (6'4) SF: Taylor (6'10, Jeff said he's taller than the 6'9 he is listed with), Langhi (6'11) PF: Webber (6'10/6'11(?)), Taylor C: Cato (6'11), Collier (7'0) Minutes: PG: Francis 38, Norris 5, Mobley 5 SG: Anderson 22, Mobley 26 SF: Taylor 28, Langhi 10, Anderson 10 PF: Webber 32, Taylor 10, Langhi 6 C: Cato 30, Collier 12, Webber 6 No position is too small and while you have size, you still have quick, athletic players at every position. I would feel a lot more comfortable with having Cato at C if we had Webber at the PF position. Then we would not even need for Cato to improve his offensive game, because we would have enough scoring threats at the 1-4. Cato could totally focus on defense and rebounding; to get to the projected 30 minutes he would really make sure that he stays out of foul trouble, though. Maybe we would add another huge player to lean on Shaq, but this team would go a long way in the playoffs and would match up well with any other team - and cap-wise, I think, it is possible, if we get rid of the contracts of Williams, Rogers, Drew, Bullard and Thomas. I would also not see big chemistry problems, these players are all young and to me, the hierarchy would be 1) Francis 2) Webber 3) Taylor, Anderson, Mobley 4) Cato, Langhi 5) Collier, Norris and the minimum/low salary role players/drafted talents we would add (if possible, I'd keep Bullard for a low salary or get a similar 3-point specialist, then I would add a physical, shot-blocking 7'3 type project C from the draft and some veteran who is good in the locker room and who can tutor the young players a bit. I think Webber would accept Francis being the No. 1, because by then, Francis will have established himself in the league of Payton/Shaq kind of superstar players.
Alot of people think Webb would have a problem with Steve Francis as "da man". Why? Didn't Webb play with Spree at Golden State and Juwon Howard & Rod Stricklen (yeah I know, but they were herald at one point)with little controversy (on the court or locker room)? I remember when J-Dub (white chocolate) first came out, there was so much hype about him, the media and the likes tried to make it sound the Williams was going to take over this time and lead them to the promise land as a "flashier" John Stockton. Did Webb have problems with that? No. In fact, he and J-Dub are very good friends. So why should Webb and Francis be any different? Just my thoughts. ------------------
One thing some of you fail to realize is that Cuttino didn't sign that huge 6yr deal to come off the bench so thats why I think they will proably let Anderson go and try to get Taylor and Webber for the 3 and 4 spots. If the Rockets do sign Anderson he will not have a starting clause in his contract. He will be a 6th man of the year canidate in 2001-2002. We can then be one of the deepest teams in the NBA with Anderson coming off the bench in 2001.
Belligerant? You haven´t seen anything yet! You´ve gotta be kidding me! A CHANCE webber comes here? Why? Because of a post without any credible source whatsoever? I will tell you why he is NOT coming. Is it because Webber never uttered a WORD about H-Town? Or is it because he said he would like to play with Sprewell? Or because he has stated time and again how much he LOVES Sac? What about his being the BEST free agent out there, and arguably, really the ONLY one worth the MAX since Finley will stay PUT at Dallas? Is it because teams will lineup to grab him, teams with more postseason sucess than the Rockets will have this year, and YES with more CAP than the Rockets will have next year? If it isn´t with cap it´s through a forced trade! Just look at the Grant/Kemp deal! try ALL of the above! I NEVER said Mo WOULD prove himself, i said give him the CHANCE to do so before you all start to write him off! Time will tell who is right on this one, but i am willing to bet that the prediction i made about next year in a post above will come true! And you wanna know where my BELLIGERANCE comes from? Just look at LilFrancis´ post above! Nonsense DOES get on my nerves! I´m OFFICIALY out of this tread have fun and delude yourselves all you want to! ------------------ "The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It´s Heaven and Hell!" [This message has been edited by Thanos (edited September 13, 2000).]
I said a while back the Webber coming here was a decent chance, if fact I thought the 3 teams with the best chance for him were Sac (to retain him), Detriot and Houston. The reason I said this was just logic (versus inside info)--we are BY FAR the best young supporting cast of any team under the cap (in 2001), have great respect by veteran players in the league, and have a big city lifestyle that might be enough attract Webber. I also have zero doubt Webber would fit in. I have rarely seem him take a shot over making a play to get his teamate a better one. Who wouldn't want to play with someone like that?? Further, Webber isn't the 4th or so best player at his position , he is the BEST player at his position and in the top 4 in the entire league. That said, our chances went way, way down when we signed Mo for pittance (relative to his worth). Mo is a very good young power forward who signed here based on trust and expected salary--which is a fundamental reason we have been able to attract veterans for way below market rates. And I would rather have a 100% chance for a 25 year old Mo now than a 25% chance for a 28 year old Webber next year, so I don't regrett that signing Mo reduced our chances for Webber. Since we do have Mo now, Webber is a real, real longshot compared to before. Doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue Webber, but many of these things would have to happen: dropping a ton more salary players (Walt), Mo not working out in the team concept (I hope he does), Mo wanting out, Sacremento having a bad year, Sacremento having no deal leverage and having to deal with us. ------------------ Elie buried the clutch 3 that would launch the Rockets to their second title run, driving a stake through the onwatching Suns fans hearts that will forever be etched in the dry Arizona landscape.
>>Thanos<< Oh please come back to this thread. Although you have an opposing view on the Webber business, you seem quite intelligent (basketball-wise, anyway). I think you just came off the wrong way to us "Pro-Webber to Rockets" fans. I mean, you come off as if you "KNOW" what C-Webb is thinking and all. No one can predict the future. I was told this info by a credible corporate exec that makes six figures annually that has business ties to the organization, but I would still not be as bold as to say that I "KNOW" that C-Webb is coming to Houston. It's all about how you present your arguement. Kudos for having the guts to stand behind your beliefs....don't run off this board now because a few of us has checked your attitude a little. It's all in fun ------------------
you know how you cant imagine players playing for certain teams..like you cant imagine ewing in a seattle uniform..you cant imagine jordan in pistons uniform..it just wouldnt look right..some players just dont fit on some teams...duncan on the nuggets... you know just use your imagination..and i cant imagine webber in a rockets uniform..and because i cant imagine it..and it wouldnt look right...it wont happen. ------------------ ..wait....what?
