Granted it was a bad deal for the Lake Show, but it just shows you how bad they wanted Rice and how highly sought after he was. My point is that we are not giving up a lot! It took the Lakers one great player and one good player to get Rice. It only took us one average player. Give it a chance, Thanos. I think that this trade will help us win NOW!
Thanos, this is not a finished product! of course we still need to add rebounding. but you must be patient! just the same, we needed consistent outside shooting and SOME kind of post presence. glen provides that...right now. rebounding, in the meantime, will HAVE to be done by committee. fortunately, with new zone capabilities, we will be able to swarm the bucket a little easier. it's easier to win when you can cheat!
I can answer that. Rice isn't a bad rebounder. Cat and Steve both pull down boards. Sad as that is, the guards outrebound the big men. But the Rockets were the worst rebounding team in the league in 94. Rebounds are nice but that shortcoming can be overcome.
Doc makes a really good point about Shaq. We just need a serviceable big man and a SF who isn't afraid to score, and can score, in bunches. If this deal goes down and we pick up Jahidi then we would really look alot like Milwuakee. Except we'll probably score more on the fast break.
Verse: Rice may have a decent scoring year this season....but when the man's 35, 36, 37yrs old (and making $14M by the way) we will be lucky to get Eddie Johnson type production out of him once in three games. You and the pro-Rice gang are probably correct that switching Shandon for Rice is not big deal this year, but YOU KNOW that Rice will b**** when he losing playing time next year and the following b/c 1) his shot goes south 2) he can't make it up and down the floor 3) Francis waives him off b/c he's tired of Mr. and Mrs. Rice bugging him for shots 24/7. Hey Thanos - please hold up the fight for us - I'm too sick to my stomach abt this deal to carry on
I can only PRAY that Mark Cuban screws this deal up as he screwed the original King Kong deal in the past. Cmon Cuban, WORK YOUR MAGIC!!!!!!!!!
O-Who? Rice can still score 20ppg if needed. The Former Rocket #34 was not going to give us that kind of production. This isnt a Rice vs. Traitor post though. This is a welcome to Rice and his consistent 15-20ppg. Be nice to know that our 3 can actually score when they double on Steve, Cuttino, MoT, etc... Doc - you are right on the money. Rice will only help the development of Griffin and TMo. Anyways Griffin is a 4. I would love to have TMo develop into a Glenn Rice. This does spell problems for Langhi though. His minutes were going to be short enough as it is. Poor Guy. He can sure tear it up in the offseason....
We were the worst offensive rebounding team in the NBA that year. I dont think we were the worst rebounding team overall.
pippendagimp (btw, luv the name), that's a win/win situation. wanna know why? 1st, i believe rice will get his shots. but let's just say you're right. he doesn't get his shots. if that's the case, the defense isn't rotating off of anyone. cause any center can cut and dunk. and mo tay will bust yo ass if you leave him. in other words, if you DON'T rotate off of steve and cat, they're gonna bust yo ass for 30 a piece. so who do you take a chance on? steve and cat shooting layups and dunking, or a 33 year old glen rice shooting 3s? different teams will pick different poisons. i like either one....
Oh yeah. Now we talking serious here. HOW are we going to get fastbreak opportunities when our guards will have to concentrate on defensive rebounding because our frontline is rebound impaired? Looks like those long range fastbreak passes from the Chuckster will remain a distant memory... I'm sorry, I really don't buy it. The Rice of old? The one who played in Charlotte? He was a great player. I would gladly accept that player. What we are getting is a pale shadow of his old self. Unnaceptable. Here''s rice 3pt shooting from the past 3 seasons: 98-99 LAL 39.3 99-00 LAL 36.7 00-01 NY 38.9 GREAAAAT shooting. Excuse me while I laugh.
Thanks for the heads up. English is not my native language. I can use that as an excuse. Sorry if I don't feel too bad about your little attempt at making fun of me. Have a nice day. And now, i'll take care of that signature, as this foolishness warrants a new one.
Uh, Thanos. These are incomparable team concepts. To say we are like Sacramento is laughable. They've had one of the worst shooting guard tandems in the league, and look what they've accomplished. Dallas is closer. The Bucks, too. imo, no one will compare to our shooting potential if we land Rice. No team!!! Not even the Bucks. You can not like Rice if you want. You may not like offensive extremes either...fair enough. But you are not describing our offensive potential in a fair manner by comparing us to the Kings. The Kings had 2 guys on the court who defenses could slack off of. We won't anymore, and neither will the Kings. The ability for defenses to slack off of players is what hurts you the most on offense over the course of a season, not the actual one-on-one defensive superiority of other teams. Rudy is trying to field a team of shooters incomparable in the league. I say, fair enough. <b>We are just going to have to grow into a defensive team around Griffin, who has Theo Ratliff defense written ALL OVER HIM!!</b> So be it...just get me a big thug with a modest jumper, too. That is all I ask. play ball!!
This is a great point. When Walt Williams was "on" last year, the Rockets were very tough to beat. Glen Rice is a bigger, and much better, version of the Wizard. If we add an effective Cato, which I think we finally will, I think the Rockets have a chance to be the 4 or 5 seed in next year's playoffs. Of course, Oeilpere and DocRocket are strongly hinting that more trades will follow, so this could be the start of something very interesting.
Behad: It's a little premature to call the Rockets a dynasty after adding Rice. I love the trade, though because Glen will provide instant offense though, and you can never have enough of that. Does anyone else liken this trade to the Pedro Astacio deal? The Astros gave up a guy who sucked (Scott Elarton) for a high-priced guy who has the ability to be great (Astacio). Similarly, the Rockets give up a bum in Shandon Anderson for an awesome, yet overpaid sharp shooter in Rice.
You know what I find ironic is that a lot of the people who are saying "Rice is to old, and makes to much money why get him", are some of the same people who said "We should have given it to Dream", who is also old. I think Rice can produce up to the age of 37, because he is a pure shooter and scorer. Guys like Ellis, Jordan, Ricky Pierce, these guys produced up to their mid-30s. Rice can still help us, he has experienced, and is a sharpshooter and big time scorer. And Rice is caught in the label that I always point out, if you're a big time scorer people think you can't do anything else. Granted Rice is a big time scorer, scoring 19.5 ppg, but he is also a quality rebounding SF at 4.6 rpg, steals an average of 1 steal per game, which isn't that bad, and isn't a bad passer, avering 2.2 apg for his career. He should be back a full health with an offseason to rest his achille strain, and he should be ready to go. I'm willing to give it a chance.
Doc, I have heard that the Bricks are including Camby in the deal along with Rice for Cato and Shandon. The Knicks would be super stupid for doing this, however, Shandon's salary does not match up with Rice's and we need to move Cato. I would throw in Moochie for Charlie Ward
This is the worst trade in Rockets history. Rudy T and Carroll Dawson have completely lost it. They are screwing the Rockets for years by taking on this joke of a contract that 34 year old washed up Rice has. And why do people keep saying "so what if Mo, Rice, and our entire team can't play Defense, the zones make defense obsolete". That's a load of crap: The game is not going to change THAT much. Rice will not be an asset in any zone scheme because of his age and terrible attitude. The man is FINISHED and so are the Rockets future plans of ever acquiring a serviceable center if they take on this sick contract of Rice's. No Rockets fan can honestly deny that a frontcourt of Rice, Mo Taylor, and Freakin Cato is not the softest, worst rebounding, worst defensive frontcourt in the NBA next year. With that frontcourt, even mentioning the word playoffs should be considered a sign of insanity. What's next? Should the Rockets trade Francis for Danny Ferry? He'd be a great zone buster and we need a 7th Small Forward on our roster right?
Ah, much better. Great signature. As for Rice, time will tell. Now we have 5 starters who play average to non-existant defense. Our shotblocker falls for every headfake trick known to man and leads the league in rebounds (yeah right). Our PF averages 5 rebounds per game. Our brand spanking new SF averages 4 rebounds. I'm not sure how anyone in his right mind can like this. And short of getting Dikembe Mutombo, i don't think ANY 5 outside of Shaq can make this team do anything better than a great impression of a sieve.
um, that's not bad 3 pt shooting. and, our frontline will pick it up. especially once we add the final piece (or rotating door) to the puzzle. and running doesn't always have to mean off the fast break 2 on 1. there is such a things as pushing the ball up (instead of steve's annoying penchant of walking it up ) and looking for the quick strike or quick penetration. think "up tempo"! c'mon Thanos! i have plenty of room for ya o'er here! jump onboard!!!
