The blame lies with both the few Democrats that forced the bill to be changed from what most of the Democrats wanted it to be, as well as the Democrats who added all of the amendments and watered down the bill when it was being crafted, as well as the previous administrations who while in power did not put forward a healthcare bill of their own. I agree that it was modified in order to make certain "at risk" Democrats able to vote for it. It's why I mentioned them in those that share in the blame.
Elected officials doing nothing and people applaud..... What an odd concept. Doing nothing is doing something in fact. At any point the GOP could hold a press conference and announce a plan, but why would they want to have the interest of the country at heart? Sabotaging government is their mantra and people applaud. You think ACA is a failure.... just wait a few more years and watch what happens to Medicare.
IMO the blame lies with those who kept pushing for the passing of the bad legislation to begin with. Single payer wouldn't have been passed, and isn't a good idea now. The goal was to pass garbage that was intended to fail in order to sucker the public into a single payer system that will be like adding another Social Security nightmare burden to the country.....only bigger and more costly. Probably not initially, but eventually and inevitably.
I disagree that Social Security is a nightmare, nor has it been a nightmare. It does need to secured and shorn up, but it's far from being a nightmare. Single payer is a great idea and is superior to Obamacare.
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme on an epic scale. Now that each generation is not massively larger than the one before, we are getting closer and closer to the day when there is not enough new investment to pay out to the older investors.
that's not even a coherent sentence so hard to answer. What would the ACA being conservative or 'un-conservative' have to do with the GOP offering a healthcare plan? To try and speak to what your asking, the ACA increases government regulation, reduces competition, reduces customer choice (liberty), and punishes individuals for not doing business with a private company. All obvious things that go against a free market. what does any of this have to do with what i wrote? You for some reason claimed the GOP did not support Obamacare because it was pushed by Obama even though they explained accurately why it would be awful. just stupid and wrong. just to be clear, you think this is why OBamacare is failing? too many sick people? the mental gymnastics you do......
Incorrect. Obamacare was a dead turd walking from conception. Forcing the insurance companies to take on pre-existing conditions across the board and then turning around and forcing every american to buy this product was just a very VERY bad idea. As long as this clause exists, Obamacare was doomed from the start.
Likewise? Ah. So you aren't informed on the few GOP healthcare solutions. You are merely ignorant, now I see. Well google is your friend as exchanges and getting rid of denial of pre-existing conditions have been suggested by GOP members in the past. Do you find Romneycare anti-freedom? Surprising Romney never really mentioned his plan when campaigning as the GOP candidate.... very curious. Just pointing our the GOP's position and sabotage. How slow uptake by 'young invincibles' is driving the ACA's exchange rates higher Affordable Care Act Premium Increases Are a Fixable Problem Health-care exchange sign-ups fall far short of forecasts Now I get it, you are just ignorant about the world around you.
If it actually forced every American to buy into, we wouldn't have such rising premiums. Car insurance would be sky high too if mostly the riskiest drivers only had insurance. Pretty much how insurance works.....
You're still buying into this idiotic nonsense. In the event you forget, those who are uninsured are still paying the fine and getting nothing out of it. Forcing the additional 12% or so to pay the full amount is not going to even come close to fixing this. Car insurance would be sky high too if I could buy a wrecked car for pennies on the dollar and get its full value through insurance claims. Again, you are absolutely clueless on how insurance works.
That is correct, they are paying the fine, not getting into the insurance pool. So you didn't read the links that I posted to your other half? LOL.... sounds like it. You seem to be trying real hard to ignore the basic principles of how insurance works.
Anyone that thinks that insurers should be covering pre-existing conditions doesn't understand insurance. Insurance is a hedge against a risk of loss. If the loss has already happened, then insurance is just free money. That's why you can't buy insurance after you wreck your car, after your house burns down, hell, even after the dealer shows you blackjack. No system of private insurance that is forced to cover pre-existing conditions is rational. The old system of high cost high risk pools actually made sense. Paying out of pocket makes sense. Essentially mugging insurance companies and then paying them off in the form of government subsidies would be criminal if anyone but the government was doing it.
Does it make a difference in actuality whether it's Obama's or GOP's fault? If we can't pass legislation that makes economic sense, with enough buy-in to make it work, we can't pass it. Both I and my parents were given notice from our two different health insurance providers that our current plans are being dissolved this year and we need to seek new plans in the marketplace. I'm currently unemployed and my dad is self-employed. This is after some warnings from healthcare brokers last year that a lot of providers were struggling and either changing their portfolios or hiking premiums. At the time I was skeptical. But now it's coming true. And most premiums are at least 30% higher than last year for the same coverage... not a great prospect with zero income (hopefully short term). I was also unemployed around this time last year and had to pay a 3 month penalty with my 2015 taxes. Based on my personal results, I wouldn't be a fan of this program if it was passed by Barack Obama, George Bush, Vermin Supreme, Daryl Morey, or Hakeem Olajuwon.
Does everything have to be about money? It's so obvious that healthcare shouldn't be for profit, morally, as a human being how can you profit off the sickness of others? (Unfortunately, the usual suspects will try to justify it.)
Why would anyone ever want to profit off of others? We should just do away with profit altogether because really no matter what you are on some level just profiting off of the misfortune of others no matter what kind of business you are in and that's morally wrong allegedly as human beings.
Do you have a 401k or any other investment vehicle that utilizes the stock market? If the answer is yes, you are profiting off the sick. Making a profit is fine. That is what drives innovation as does competition. Can quality healthcare be profitable, competitive, and affordable? That is certainly debatable. Obamacare was built on the exact system you detest. Are you suggesting Obamacare is immoral?
Should all healthcare professionals work for free, or is it only the insurance companies that should be forbidden from making money off of healthcare? What about other industries that people need, like food and housing? How can you, as a human being, possibly morally justify profiting off of the hunger of others? Should those also be non-profit only? What about transportation? Should we just eliminate capitalism all together, I'm sure the Soviet Union must have had a much more fair and robust health care system that the US. Right?
Pre-OC rhetoric aside, I'm interested in how we're going to reform it when these insurers are getting bigger and bigger.
This is one of these topics in which the young and upcoming liberals do not understand. Often there is not a whole lot of difference between a for-profit and non-profit entity. Money can be squandered just as easily in both systems. A non-profit organization can have a CEO that makes 20M a year just as easily with a for-profit system. A government run system can be just as costly, if not more. One of the big problems with Obamacare is it did not deal with practical costs. Why are people being charged $50.00 for over-the-counter medicine? Why are medical salesman often making $50.00 per pill they sell? The money trail for our medicine is insane.
