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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Reeko

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    stupid ass Putin prostitute Trump was literally repeating this Russian propaganda on Truth Social earlier today
     
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  2. Amiga

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    What’s your take on Zelenskyy saying, "I need ammunition, not a ride," when he refused to leave Ukraine the day after the invasion?
     
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  3. Nook

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    The US and Europe are not remotely broke.
     
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  4. Nook

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    How did this age?
     
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    Biden and Trump can share the Nobel Peace Prize for all we care. They just need to stop fighting.
     
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    If the only way to stop fighting is for Russia to swallow Ukraine and strip mine it, that's good with you? That's "peace"? F the Ukranians?
     
  7. Astrodome

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    Definitely didn't say that. They can co-exist without this war.
     
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  8. Ottomaton

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    Tell that to Russia.
     
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  9. rimrocker

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    We tend to build in kill switches to certain functionalities in our advanced weapons. Think of Starlink or John Deere tractor software but with weapons. What Portugal and others are saying is that they can't trust the US to not hamper European defense through those mechanisms, so better to buy local. They are right. We are no longer trustworthy and thus, neither are our weapons.
     
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  11. Amiga

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    I note that the deliberate disinformation came from a Washington Post writer, not the administration.

    I think everyone wants the fighting to stop - except Putin. But if you end up capitulating to him, hoping it will satisfy his desire for conquest, you risk a continuing and even larger conflict. This administration might not fully buy into that thinking, but Europe does. And because of that, I doubt there will be any stopping until Putin is stopped.

    Unfortunately, that can only happen through military and economic force or a united defense front that Putin doesn’t dare challenge. But that united front is cracking, which could embolden him. Instead of accepting a peace proposal, he may push harder to break it wide open and seize more land.
     
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  12. Invisible Fan

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    This keeps getting repeated but is constantly ignored by Russian Peaceniks -- Putin isn't a damn victim in any of this.

    Expecting him to stop at crimea and the donbas is lazy and naive.

    We all want peace, but it has to be a winning situation with guarantees the violence will stop. You make it painful for him to want it to stop, and you add enforcement riders to make sure he does in the future.

    Putin won't agree to any of that if you give him the keys to the kingdom.

    Bad parenting tactics to give the brat everything but with love and care, and that **** certainly doesn't fly if you lived in pure white Russia...
     
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  13. Space Ghost

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    this reminds me back in 2020 when I was tricked into voting for Biden. "Trust me bro...". I was such a fool

     
  14. astros123

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    Theres no evidence that Ukrainians are encircled and on the verge of being slaughtered..... you know you don't have to believe everything you read on X right? That was something Putin told Trump and Trump ran with it
     
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    Interesting, what are your reasons? I'm living outside the US now and looking to retire in Spain. If I had kids I probably would stay in the US just to give them the best chance to get a top flight education and make a good living.
     
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    Where did these pro Russian and antiwar republicans come from?
     
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    Spain is an amazing place and id definitely move there. Im currently in Denmark but was close to choosing Spain. Valencia or the SE coast is cheap and peaceful. Low crime, low cost of living, beautiful beaches and women. Good schools as well
     
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    Macron: Russia has no say in deployment of foreign troops in Ukraine

    France, Britain, and other Nato countries, including Turkey, have expressed their willingness to contribute to a peacekeeping force to protect peace in post-war Ukraine.

    “If Ukraine asks allied forces to be on its territory, it is not up to Russia to accept or not,” Mr Marcon told local press late on Saturday, ahead of another heavy round of aerial attacks between Russia and Ukraine.

    Moscow has repeatedly rejected the idea of Nato soldiers being stationed in Ukraine, saying such a move would be a major escalation.

    Mr Macron clarified that any peacekeeping force would consist of “a few thousand troops per country”, to be deployed at important locations. He added that a number of European and non-European countries were interested in participating.
     
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  19. Space Ghost

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    NATO soldiers will not be stationed in Ukraine unless its NATO soldiers dying on the battlefield. That is just completely stupid
     
  20. Amiga

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    Peacekeeping force (from some European nations and whoever else want to participate) to protect peace in POST-WAR Ukraine.

    If you are sure Putin will maintain peace, there is nothing to worry about. If you aren't, then this is one way to help maintain peace.
     
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