But it’s not simple. How the war is ended matters does it not? The type of agreement and the assurances Ukraine gets in return matters and the deterrences Russia faces if they dare to invade again certainly matters. I get the simple premise but again you continue to leave Russia out of the equation on every single argument. I just would love to know why you continue to do that? Russia has lost DOUBLE the lives that Ukraine has lost throwing their people into a meat grinder. Why do you never post from the perspective of what Russia needs to do to protect lives of their own people by ending the war on their end? Why do they have no agency in any argument you make?
I don't understand why you continue to want to escalate the war. Ukraine is not a NATO country nor will they be one for a long long long time, if ever. This is the grown man santa clause effect. No matter how much you want to believe in Santa, he isn't real nor will he ever be. As long as Trump is in office, Ukraine will not get into NATO. So therefore the US has absolutely no obligation to support stupid Europe countries because they put their troops in the war. What you fail to understand is that Russia does not despise the US. They hate the leftist in Europe. They do not want Europe in Ukraine taking their natural resources. They will be tolerant of the US pillaging Ukraine however. That is the security deal. The anti-war party of the 60's now accept nothing less than an assurance of future killing if things dont go their way. This is why we call you war mongers. War is the last resort to a solution to a problem. For you on the left, its the first option on the solution page.
MAGA in 1941 Britain really should just stop resisting Germany, we all know they are cooked. Hitler doesn't have any beef with us, he's a good guy. It's all a big grift by Churchill, he's the real problem.
Now span out 1000 years instead of 80 years. Because you know, all critical thinking starts with Nazi Germany and ends with Hitler. Its almost like life began in the 1930's.
you are conflating truth with opinion. People said the same thing about this country vs England too. Ukranians are choosing to fight, we should support them. DD
Correct. The West should be working out security guarantees for the peace so Russians don’t murder Ukrainians citizens and take Ukrainian children.
Well I mean WW1 and WW2 were the last time we had major powers fighting… Russia/China/Iran/NK/ @Space Ghost on one side and the West/ @dmoneybangbang on the other side…. I mean even if we play this out over 1000 years, of history…. Doesn’t that just show how often war happens? Puts your dumbass “warmonger” comment into historic perspective?
1000 years puts it in perspective. It doesn't matter who won each conflict, life goes on. We call you war mongers (which you are) because you think you're dumbass position on the subject actually matters and you have the arrogance to believe that your narrow minded position crafted by rich old men is worth millions dying over. It doesn't matter who controls Ukraine. What I can tell you is that in another 100 years, there will be another NPC just like yourself justify yet another war that leads to nothing but to more death and destruction. You place ideology over life. That is what war mongers do.
Lol!!!!! Christ you actually think Twitter made you smart? It doesn’t matter who wins wars? You don’t think your way of life is impacted on wars throughout history? The entitlement and ignorance of your ilk is truly astounding. You are a war mongers best friend…. Completely ignorant and completely entitled. Putin’s and Xi’s useful idiot,
Are you talking bout Putin? Consider this ... Can Trump force Putin to negotiate and make concessions? versus Can Trump force Zelenskyy to negotiate and make concessions? Given this, the easiest path to a deal is to force Zelenskyy to make all of the concessions ... which Zelenskyy might do IF he is given strong guarantees that the peace will be enforced ... OIOWs Europe and the US put boots on the ground in Ukraine to deter Putin (and whomever succeeds him). The easiest path is not the moral path. Russia has caused billions of dollars of damage in Ukraine and has committed 1000s of war crimes. I suspect that Trump's peace plan addresses neither. I also suspect that Trump will force Europe to be 100% responsible for keeping the peace, while not being at the negotiation table.
Lol. And this is why conservatives have become the Putin party…. He’s fighting against leftist and the woke. Putin was smart…. Tying himself to Christian and right wing extremists made him popular among your kind. Putin will absolutely not tolerate the US taking the resources that Putin wanted to control. That’s just make believe. Putin can roll back into Ukraine in two years and Trump will do absolutely nothing.
Problem #1 is assuming you know what someone wants. Tip: just ask. I have a policy - if someone states what I think, want, or feel without asking first, I ignore the rest of their post.
Nope…. Russia is the one holding up negotiations. Zelensky is ready for peace but he’s not stupid and going to make a peace deal just to have Putin invade again in two years. Lol… Pull out of the strongest military alliance in the world because of theoretical nukes? UK and France have no reason to attack Putin. Obviously you are more Putin than US so this is why you feel worried about UK and France.
From putting together snippets said by the Trump administration and Zelenskyy --- it appears that at first the administration asked Ukraine for way too much as far as control of mineral rights. I believe that the administration knew they were asking for the moon but viewed it as a classic negotiations starting point. I see it in business a lot and in my efforts as a lawyer. Zelenskyy balked at it, because it was too much. Then discussions were had and Zelensky was willing to give up a portion of the harvesting of mineral rights to the USA and apparently there was even an agreement to how much and how. Zelensky asked for assurances that the USA would continue supporting Ukraine in exchange for US access to the minerals. This was a point never agreed upon. Around this same time the US voted with Russia in the UN. This was likely done as a pressure move by the US. I think that it was very foolish though, you can do that when in business, in running countries it can cause issues long term. Regardless, I personally believe it was done by the administration as a pressure point on Zelenskyy. The administration would not agree to any deal to continue support for the Ukraine but argued that the US would be protecting the mineral rights in Ukraine and the manufacturing, and that Russia would not attack or advance further with US interests in the Ukraine. Zelenskyy wanted an assurance, and was not willing to risk his country on the belief that Russia would not advance. The administration believed that any overt action against Russia, such as the US saying they would protect Ukraine or that the mineral rights was an indirect way to protect the Ukraine would cause issues with Russia. So, we are at a standstill and Trump can cut off aid, to force Ukraine to do this the way the administration wants it done because they believe they are the only game in town. Zelenskyy doesn't trust Trump based on the comments made in the past and wants some assurances of continued aid. I don't know but my guess based on what I have heard various people in the administration say is that Russia is digging in and negotiations are getting nowhere so the attention turned to Zelenskyy. The reality is that Zelenskyy is going to lose some land, because Russia is not going to retreat from the land it had captured, and Trump knows that - so if there is going to be some sort of "peace" it is going to require the loss of Ukranian land. However, the sticking point is that Russia apparently has made it clear it will retaliate if the US has any troop involvement. There is a lot going on and I can see both sides of it - I appreciate that Trump isn't as cookie cutter as all the prior administrations, but I also see a lot of arrogance and a lack of understanding that some of the tactics used will be held against the USA. I am sure Trump REALLY wants this mineral rights situation to work out because then he can claim complete victory - the USA is "paid back", Russia stops advancing and in theory Ukraine is protected by the US protecting the mineral rights and manufacturing.... but that is a lot for Zelenskyy to swallow and I don't think that many would just agree ..... so we see this game where Trump attempts to force Zelenskyy.
I love you brother - but this is just about the worst thing that the USA can do. Zelenskyy is a democratically elected leader of a country at war. If the USA kills him, the Ukraine will collapse and Russia will take the whole enchilada. This is a really terrible idea and would quite possibly lead to a war. He wasn't even invited to the negotiations summit - so the idea that he doesn't want to negotiate isn't valid. Ill trust democratically elected leaders that are not actively invading another nation over a Russian dictator. You know damn well if there is a war in Europe involving multiple countries like you are discussing, that the US will be involved. It happened in WW1 and WW2.
