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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Commodore

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    If that is what you believe I wrote, your reading comprehension is severely inadequate. I'm not sure I'd be throwing the "idiot" term around when it's clear you suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
     
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    Shiner is better than Tuborg
     
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    How are you people so naive and braindead. The head of the crypto task force just had his top 6 holders pumped by the President. The guy in charge of wriring policy is pumping his portfolio by using the POTUS and you cultists complain about Ukraine aid? Your cult leader is buying **** coins with no utility. There is ZERO need for the US government to buy Ripple. The federal reserve already has a lending facility and does already swaps currencies to other central bank.

    You cultists @Space Ghost are sitting here b****ing about UKR aid while the President is literally buying **** coins that his top advisor has in his portfolio .

    MAGA is a braindead cult


    Keir stamer said he would be willing to send troops to secure a ceasefire once they signed a deal. This doesnt mean hes sending soliders in a active war. They are peace keeping soldiers after the war has ended which is not uncommon.

    Half of America is living in a echo chamber and is utterly brainwashed to the core. Its just crazy how this is not more well known around the world.
     
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    Elon Musk backs US withdrawal from NATO alliance
    By George Allison
    March 2, 2025

    Elon Musk, a key figure in President Donald Trump’s administration and head of the United States Department of Government Efficiency, has backed calls for the United States to leave the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO).
    Musk voiced his support on X (formerly Twitter) on Saturday night when he responded “I agree” to a post stating, “It’s time to leave NATO and the UN.” His endorsement aligns with growing calls from some Republican lawmakers, including Senator Mike Lee, to reconsider the US commitment to the alliance.

    Lee, a long-time critic of NATO, has described it as a “Cold War relic” and argued that the alliance “has to come to a halt.” He claims NATO is a “great deal for Europe” but a “raw deal for America”, suggesting that US resources are being stretched to protect Europe while offering little direct benefit to American security.

    Musk’s comments come amid broader discussions within the Trump administration over the future of America’s role in NATO and international alliances.

    While Trump has not explicitly stated his intent to withdraw from NATO, he has repeatedly pressured European nations to increase their defence spending, warning that the US should not bear the financial burden of the alliance alone.

    As a key figure in the administration, Musk’s influence on Trump’s policy decisions is significant. His endorsement of a NATO withdrawal could signal growing momentum within the White House for a shift towards a more isolationist foreign policy, focusing on domestic defence priorities over international commitments.

    With the war in Ukraine ongoing and NATO playing a critical role in supplying military aid, any US withdrawal would drastically reshape the global security landscape. European leaders have already expressed concerns over Trump’s stance on NATO, particularly as the alliance works to counter Russian aggression and maintain stability in Eastern Europe.

    (the remainder at link below)

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/elon-musk-backs-us-withdrawal-from-nato-alliance/
     
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    I’ve read this like three times and each time I understand it less. France alone has enough military strength to wipe out Russia in Eastern Ukraine in weeks if they decided to send troops to aid.

    We know the French coordinate well with other military units because they have a track record of missions alongside us from 2001 to 2014. If they were so awful why did we fight alongside them for freaking 13 years?

    Russia has a lot of Nukes yes. Enough to blow the world up 1,000 times over. That does not mean they have a strong military. I don’t know why this doesn’t send a pretty strong message to Putin that his lapdog’s efforts to bully and intimidate Zelensky into submission has the opposite effect. Putin’s objective to get the US to no longer support Ukraine was achieved but the affect of having Europe step in to being more likely to put troops on the ground in Ukraine is worse than the US just supplying the same or slightly less arms. Ukraine has never had any real air support. France alone has like 200 fighter jets currently in action with their Air Force fleet and hundreds more that were older models they could put in the air if they had to.

    This picture might only amount to optics in the end but the optics are still counter to what Putins objective is which I guess is why you are so mad about it.
     
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    I think the feeling is that this is the same thing
    Literally no difference

    Rocket River
     
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    The mineral rights deal is just a marketing ploy as is…. Just like when Trump renegotiated and signed the USMCA.

    Ukraine could sign a $1 trillion mineral rights deal but it’s the same…. Ukraine is still more valuable to Russia than the US. Without security guarantees, Russia could easily roll back into Ukraine in 2 years and Trump will do nothing.
     
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    You really think Russia occupying Ukraine and taking the natural resources is the same as Ukraine managing their territory and giving the natural resources to the US? I am confused.
     
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    Another confusing post. Ukraine is incompetent and corrupt. They do a poor job at harvesting natural resources. It would be in conjunction with the US and US private sector.
    I am just confused why you think Trump would allow Putin to attack American active interests. And why Putin would piss on the most tolerant administration to Russia.

    You're literally angry because Trump is angling for something that is good for the US.

    And yes, we could indeed get another incompetent administration similar to Bidens in 4 years and Russia will be back at it. But that is why we don't put incompetent unelected candidates or candidates with onset dementia in the general election.
     
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    Even if the US signed some magical mineral rights deal, no US company will do business in Ukraine without a guarantee that their investments in mining would have any certainty of sticking around. Without a security guarantee, there's no guarantee that a company would even be able to consistently run a mining operation (not to mention the risk of said operations getting destroyed in a future war). There are countries in Africa with huge mineral resources that no major mining company will touch because there simply isn't the business climate, stability or security necessary to guarantee any sort of ROI. This is the same reason why companies aren't flocking to Venezuela despite the government there begging for oil companies to set up operations. No one can trust that the country won't change their mind tomorrow or that the economic and political situation will ever have long term stability.

    Pieces of paper are meaningless without security and stability on the ground. To achieve those conditions, war can't simply be stopped now and instead security must be guaranteed into the foreseeable future. Until then, a "mineral rights deal" is as useless as the agreements Trump signed with North Korea during his first term.
     
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    Yes, Russia is a very corrupting influence as evidenced by the Trump admin and Elon.

    Because this is all hypothetical money. It will be a decades long endeavor to extract anything close to $100 billion much less $500 billion.

    I am confused to why you think Trump would actually do anything if Putin invaded Ukraine again. Again, Ukraine is more valuable to Russia now while the US will need many decades.

    Nope, I just think it’s naive to trust Putin especially without security guarantees.

    Or you just have suckers like yourself who actually trust Putin and Trump.

    The incompetent, weak administration is the one that prevented Russia from rolling over Ukraine? What a weird thing to say.
     
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    Trump admin took a major cyber adversary in Russia off the list.

    Trump is already talking about removing sanctions.

    That’s a weak and incompetent admin.
     
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    @Space Ghost still believes in the tooth fairy and Putin is trustworthy.

    Just like the USMCA deal Trump negotiated… this is just for show. Any intelligent person knows this would be a decades long endeavor in Ukraine.
     
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    Asking a question.
    What happens if we sign the rare earth mineral deal with Ukraine and Vladdy says that's great, but we are continuing our quest to get Ukraine to fall. Are we on the hook to put boots on the ground??
     
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    No.

    TLDR: still no
     

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