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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

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    its a disgrace what happened at the UN and it will be a stain regardless of what the braindead trolls in this thread say @Space Ghost . You can want peace and not support the war but you cant rewrite history. Russia invaded Ukraine and it did so unprovoked. Ukraine didnt even have a functional military at the beginning.

    Its sad because America is an amazing country filled with mostly good people. The 25-35% of MAGATs are truly destroying everything America stood for. Its genuinely sad
     
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    Trump makes it embarrassing to be an American right now, traveling abroad. I hope most people realize we aren't all MAGA brainwashed Trump cult morons who wear bandages on our ears, pray to Trump statues, buy up all the snake oil salesman Trump trinkets, bibles, shoes, flags, hats, and other garbage, or hate spewing right wing racists and bigots. I hope they don't think we all believe his propaganda and lies like braindead idiots too lazy to fact check anything or too dumb or naive to see through that old lying grifter's facade. I hope they don't think we are all selfish pigs who don't care about crimes against humanity or poisoning the air, water, and environment.
     
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    Trump called veterans suckers and losers. What's sad, is behind closed doors, he more than likely thinks the same for his supporters. That's why when someone presented the god awful sneakers to sell, he thought to himself, "my suckers and losers will buy those hideous shoes."
     
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  5. Space Ghost

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    If a country can not defend their borders, they are not a sovereign nation.

    Now I am not the once claiming Ukraine didn't have a functional military, however if Russia 'started' the war in 2014 by occupying Crimea, do you not think Ukraine would put together a significant military force? Or was the government, including Zelensky, complete morons who had no business running a country? This stupid argument only solidifies that perhaps Ukraine doesn't need to exist independently.

    Its not the United States job to provide military protection to any nations, especially corrupt and incompetent nations like Ukraine.
    Why do you care. You rage quit and left this country to move closer to Putin.
     
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    That might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read...even coming from you.

    Costa Rica does not have a standing army. Are they not a Sovereign nation?? Iceland does not have a standing army. Are they not a sovereign nation? I guess Iran can just sail over there and take it then since Iceland is free game. China can just go over to Panama and Costa Rica, and plant their flag too.

    Ukraine had a much more robust military than many countries do, and they had democratic elections that ended up electing a very popular underdog cultural figure. They were a sovereign nation... not some 3rd world tribal island off the coast of Thailand.

    Nobody believes your lies, and Kremlin talking points that isn't already in the tank for Putin, and already fighting the propaganda battle against democracy. Your talking points are lazy, and too easy to spot coming. I think you need to take a break and refine your activist skills a little better. You are just too damn sloppy lately.
     
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    Lol… Ukraine was corrupt and weak so they deserve it…. it’s nice you dropped the warmonger facade because that’s your side, the Putin side.

    It’s not surprising your kind uses the wife beater defense.
     
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    NATO countries sans the US know now that the US will not uphold our Article 5 NATO obligations.

    If Putin invades Poland or any of the Baltic states, the US will back Putin ... Trump will say something like "they had it coming" ... MAGAs will say that the US has no business in what should be strictly European affairs.

    The new Germany leadership has already stated that the US can not be trusted.. Europe will need to sort out European affairs, without the help of the US. Any Ukraine deal will need to be made between Russia, Ukraine and Europe.
     
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    Trump wouldn't walk across the street to piss on his supporters if they were on fire.

    He doesn't care about anything but Trump, and his fans are selfish and mostly racist as well.

    DD
     
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    Under that logic the US should just roll over and allow Iran to roll tanks into DC. Nobody is more corrupt than the Trump regime, more weak, and compromised from foreign dictators.
     
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    Oh, he cares about one other person in the world. He does.

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    Trump has two legacies. The fantasy one that will be written in his presidential library in backwater Alabama or Florida swampland and the real one. But trumpers can’t read, so for them it won’t make a difference.
     
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  13. Space Ghost

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    Where did I say they deserved it.

    That is one of your big issues - you twist someone's words in your head, probably unintentionally due to being a NCP, and make up some dumb ****
     
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    Good to see the analogy to China i Mexico (and let's say also w. Russia and Iran as allies) putting naval and militaty bases with nukes along the Mexican border. Of course the US would have agency and not tolerate this. Both sides have agency. If one has a desire for peace and is not a fan of the military industrial complex one should argue against Mexico allowing the Chinese/Russian/Iranian forces on the US Mexican border.
     
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    I like your critique that too many folks always thing everything is Hitler/Stalin.Neville Chamberlain etc. However please stop calling Biden and the mindless bots who follow the bipartisan neo-con foreign policy "Leftists" just because they don't support billionaires like Trump and MUsk.
    Have you actually talked to a leftist?

    This reminds me of when for the first time I talked to a long term neighbor about politics. Eventually I told him I was a socialist. He said: "oh I know that." I said: "What !? ". He said well you frequently have yard signs up for Democrats.
     
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    Again not everything is WW II Hitler, Neville Chamberlain. I get it you are concerned that Russia could conceivably roll till the English Channel. Also not cool to talk blithely about keeping Russia in check if it does not involve American lives. War to prevent possible wars in the future are problematic.
     
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    Let me answer. well "yeah" genocide and genocide deniers are not cool or really particualarly Judaic or helpful to Jews living in Israel/Palestine or the US.
     
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  18. glynch

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    I got a laugh out of this. Dobro, like Deckard and even the potty mouth Sam Fisher and many of the other better posters on CC Fans, I think you are just a normal moderate to liberal only exposed to traditional and everywhere non Fox mainstream media. Since these sources all agree you think it is objective truth and anything else is non objective..
     
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    An interesting article about what capabilities Europe would need to develop themselves to replace what they used to rely on the US for: Mind the gaps: Europe’s to-do list for defense without the US.

    TLDR version is that a European effort could still kick the crap out of Russia but it would be bloodier without American enablers in command and control, satellite and aerial intelligence, long range striking, anti-air-defense, satellite communications, and aerial refueling and transport. But, with the political will, they could develop those capabilities in ~5ish years.

    lol.
     
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  20. DaDakota

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    Well guess what, we can't stop other countries from doing bad things - without war.

    Such a conundrum huh?

    DD
     
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