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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. basso

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    burn baby, burn.
     
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    I wonder if the Twitter user Catturd thinks Russia can end this war whenever it wants.
     
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    Ukraine has every right to fight off a invading force and I hope the US continues to support Ukraine.


    But this type of stuff is still cringe. Signing on bombs is just cringe. It shows a lack of gravity to the fact we are dealing with human lives. People who do this type of stuff have to have some basic empathy skills deficits. It's cringe.
     
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    Same catastrophe for Putin, different stunned Russian civilians witnessing it. This is pretty scary.

     
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    you love to see it.
     
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    I agree. I strongly support Ukraine’s’ right to defend itself and the US continuing to arm them. Never forget though that those bombs are going to kill a lot of people and Russians are people too.
     
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    Finland giving zero ****s.

     
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    You are a pitiful, ignorant man, assuming that’s what you are. You come across like a child of 13, maybe twelve.
     
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    tbh, I have a problem with it, and if you've paid attention, you'll know I'm generally supportive of Shapiro, and completely supportive of the Ukrainians.
     
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    The most offensive part is that people are supposed to think it's funny?

    Literally the @basso Bee has never once even gotten like a 2/10 in terms of humor.

    It's like Elon bringing the sink into Twitter on repeat - trying very hard, not at all succeeding
     
  17. DaDakota

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    If Elon is selling Star Link to Russia he should be deported.

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    More negative fallout for Putin from his mad invasion of Ukraine.

    Sweden goes all-in on NATO with new deployment proposal
    "This is a historic decision," Foreign Minister Maria Malmer Stenergard said at an event announcing the Swedish government's new plan.
    By Jonas Olssonon October 07, 2024 at 4:59 PM

    STOCKHOLM — The Swedish government today pitched a proposal to their parliament that would assign a large chunk of its military towards NATO operations, in a move all about showing Stockholm is ready to go all in with the alliance.

    The proposal requests that the Riksdagen (the parliament) should green-light the government to be ready to roll out a beefy Swedish military force — up to 1,200 troops from ground, special ops, and amphibious units, plus six warships complete with crew, and a fleet of up to 24 fighter jets [AM1] (25 percent of the overall fighter fleet) — to back NATO deterrence operations in the North Atlantic, through the end of 2025.

    While not huge numbers by American standards, this commitment is a serious one from Sweden and an increased on previously announced plans that appears designed to send a signal to the other alliance members that their newest ally is taking their security seriously, as well as its own.

    “This is a historic decision. Sweden has previously declared that we will pursue a policy of solidarity within the alliance. Now we’re putting that into practice, as we for the first time as an ally contribute with an armed force to NATO’s collective defense,” Foreign Minister Maria Malmer Stenergard, said at an event announcing the request.

    To be clear, Sweden had already pledged a certain number of its forces towards NATO operations. For instance, it had planned to send up to 600 troops to Latvia as part of an alliance mission, side by side with the Danes under Canadian leadership. But today’s announcement would significantly boost the number of forces and materiel being planned for alliance missions.

    Just looking at the Latvia mission, the new plan would call for the soldiers to expand up to 1,000, which would consist of “officers and full-time serving soldiers, so we’re not talking about conscripts here,” said Defense Minister Pål Jonson. And the operational area for those forces would extend into Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland.

    While Sweden had indicated plans to join NATO’s standing naval forces, today was the first time it was revealed six warships, a sizeable contribution for Sweden, would be considered. At least some of those ships will be focused on mine countermeasures in the Baltic and North Atlantic. Similarly, the size of Sweden’s contribution to the air policing mission would grow to potentially 24 jets.

    Overall, Swedish forces are planned to take part in three areas of operation through NATO in the coming year:

    • Ground and air operations in the Arctic environment: These are to take place in the Nordic Cap (Nordkalotten) within the framework of the deepened Nordic defense cooperation (Nordic Defence Concept) or with other allies. This mission was newly announced today.
    • Operations in the North Sea and Baltic Sea Region: These will involve ground, naval, or air forces within the context of the Nordic Defence Concept, the Joint Expeditionary Force, or alongside other allies.
    • Air Operations with the USA: These are framed under the Bomber Task Force initiative and include both bilateral and multilateral air operations with other allies within a defined operational area.
    https://breakingdefense.com/2024/10/sweden-goes-all-in-on-nato-with-new-deployment-proposal/
     
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    The Dutch have long memories. They haven't forgotten Putin's ultimate responsibility for the downing of Malaysian flight MH17 over Eastern Ukraine by separatists supported by Russia. Last July 17th marked a decade since the tragedy that ended the lives of those aboard. The jet was in route from the Netherlands to Malaysia and carried dozens of Dutch passengers.

    Netherlands delivers F-16s to Ukraine, provides $440M for drones

    By Rudy Ruitenberg
    Oct 7, 2024, 06:35 AM

    PARIS — The Netherlands will deliver F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine over the coming months, with the Dutch defense minister acknowledging for the first time that the handover of 24 warplanes to the embattled country is underway.

    The Dutch will also provide €400 million ($439 million) to jointly develop and produce advanced drones for reconnaissance, defense and attack, mainly in the air but also on land and at sea, Ruben Brekelmans said on a surprise visit to the embattled country on Sunday.

    “For the first time, I can officially announce that the first Dutch F-16s have been delivered to Ukraine,” Brekelmans said in a post on X, formerly Twitter, as he traveled to Kyiv as well as the city of Kharkiv. “This is urgently needed. In Kharkiv, I saw the damage from Russian airstrikes and heard frequent air raid alarms.”

    Word about F-16s reaching Ukrainian forces first came over the summer following preparations by a coalition of European governments, led by the Netherlands and Denmark, to donate aircraft. The weapons are meant to help Ukraine repel Russian attacks, which have targeted population centers and critical infrastructure.

    Dutch Chief of Defence Gen. Otto Eichelsheim addressed his country’s contributions during a visit to Washington in late August, saying the F-16s were doing a “good job.” He also said Dutch leaders had placed no restrictions on how Ukrainian pilots can use them, including striking military targets in Russia, as Moscow’s forces have used their side of the border to stage assaults into Ukraine.

    Dutch military support for Ukraine reached €3.76 billion end-September, up by €683 million from early June, Brekelmans said in a letter to parliament dated Sunday. Much of the new money was aimed at maintaining Ukraine’s fighting capacity, included parts and ammunition for Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers, Patriot air-defense systems and F-16 jets, as well as medical goods and combat rations. the Ministry of Defence said.

    https://www.defensenews.com/global/...rs-f-16s-to-ukraine-provides-440m-for-drones/


    The criminal investigation by the Joint Investigation Team (JIT)

    In the MH17 Joint Investigation Team (JIT), the Netherlands, Australia, Malaysia, Belgium and Ukraine work together on the criminal investigation into the plane crash. Based on the results of that investigation, the Dutch Public Prosecution Service has prosecuted four suspects for their involvement in bringing down flight MH17. Three of them were sentenced to life imprisonment, Pulatov was aquitted. In the meantime, the JIT investigation into other persons involved continued. On 8 February 2023 the JIT shared its findings with the next of kin and published a report. Although a lot of new information has been discovered about various people involved, the evidence is at the moment not concrete enough to lead to new prosecutions.

    What happened to flight MH17?

    According to the JIT, flight MH17 was shot down by a Buk missile from the 9M38 series. The missile was launched by a Buk TELAR installation that was transported from the Russian Federation to an farm field near Pervomaiskyi in Eastern Ukraine. At that time, that area was controlled by the separatists. After firing, the installation was transported back to the Russian Federation with a missing missile.

    In order to find out the cause of the crash, the Joint Investigation Team investigated all human remains, personal belongings and wreckage of the aircraft found in the vicinity of the disaster site. The traces were secured and investigated and compared by experts. In addition, the JIT sought and heard witnesses and experts, analysed radar and satellite images, assessed large amounts of telecom data such as intercepted telephone conversations and analysed big data.

    https://www.prosecutionservice.nl/topics/mh17-plane-crash/criminal-investigation-jit-mh17
     
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