Oh, when Russia wins this, y’all will be cheering, and then comes the reality. Putin stops, or Putin moves forward into a NATO nation, then all hell breaks loose, and reality hits you so hard you wonder where it came from. But maybe the US says good luck, bye, and we have regional wars in Europe that last for who knows how long. All of this because spending 10% of the US defense budget for a single year, or about 1% of a decade of the US defense budget, was too much of a price to pay.
We angered Putin into aggression—it's a classic, understandably sad for the ignorant but treacherous and treasonous for the informed.
I am not going to apologize because I want all the killing to stop. I dont celebrate death and destruction. But sure, go on. Support more war spending that continues to bring forth death and destruction instead of pressuring for peace.
I dont have all the answers unlike you. All I know is its much easier to send other peoples fathers and children off to war than to send yourself and your children. I guarantee you 100% if your children were going to fight in this war, you'd have a very different take.
How is spelling out possible scenarios having all the answers? It’s not knowing, and it’s a bet either way. Bottom line is, we aren’t sending anyone but only a fraction of our defense spending to prevent the very scenario you're afraid of - sending your kids in. You would rather risk that scenario than a bit of defense spending because you're so absolutely sure that Putin is going to just stop. Unlike you, I don’t know what would happen, but I know what could happen and I understand the ROI quite clearly.
Of course we aren't sending US troops to Ukraine, which is my point exactly. Its easy to call for more war when you have nothing to lose. Whats another 50 billion if we can weaken our enemy and continue to kill more humans. Human life shouldn't be based on 'ROI'. As a species, we have more important things we can accomplish besides securing the wealth of the elitist on this planet. And Russia is not taking over Europe or any other NATO country. Please stop this nonsense. They do not have the resources to even secure Ukraine at this point. You're fear mongering.
This is an easy opinion to have when it is not yourself or your children that will have to fight the Russians. You might be surprised to find that the NATO countries who are on or near the border with Russia have a much different opinion than you.
America is the perfect emulator of their professed God. Free will loving and forgiving if you accept the Dollar as its Lord and Savior, but cruel and Old Testament scary when you run afoul against us. Maybe that's why were keen to export morals and values abroad.
Yes, if a country doesnt defend their borders, than an invading force can easily take over. Nobody is suggesting countries shouldn't defend their border. Just look at our border. We can't even keep unarmed illegals out.
Except for Putin, no one is calling for more war. Putin can stop this war today by withdrawing his troops. You somehow forgot that. You also somehow think that Ukraine has no agency in all of this. You also can't see that your own point is working against you - that Ukraine has everything to lose and thus is calling for defense. To you - defense is war, and worse, helping someone defend themselves because they have everything to lose is calling for more war. Next time the US is being invaded, remember that defending ourselves is calling for more war, and that any nation that comes to our help is also calling for more war. The ROI is to prevent the war from spreading, to stop Putin's aggression. You can't see that because you are 100% sure Putin's Russia is just suddenly going to turn nice and stop after taking over Ukraine. Why are you so sure of this? Why do you ignore the risk that Putin could invade a NATO country after defeating Ukraine, pulling the US directly into a war with Russia? Or perhaps you aren't sure of this, but you don't care that war could spread
Odd. The same people screaming about an "invasion at our southern border" and how it needs to stop immediately are the same people who say "Well Ukraine should just stop fighting. This war is going on too long."
givng the deveil Putin the finger, Janet Yellen says efforts are underway to package a $50 billion loan to Ukraine using frozen Russian funds The US and its allies are getting serious about a plan to finance Ukraine using interest earned on Russia's frozen assets. Under the idea, these profits would be bundled together into a sizable loan, a possible means of survival for Kyiv. "Showing that we do have the means of translating earnings on the frozen assets into a stream of support for Ukraine, I think, is an important way to demonstrate that we're not about to fold," Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen told The New York Times. "We're going to be able to help Ukraine." If the Group of 7 leaders are able to finalize the loan's details in a meeting next week, it could make this a reality for Ukraine. So far, reserves have sat untouched in depositories, such as Euroclear; there, a trove worth $206 billion is generating over $3 billion in interest a year.
Do you really think surrendering Ukraine to Russia the killing will stop? In areas that Ukraine retook from Russia they found that Russians had committed war crimes including brutal killings of civilians.
It's odd that people are comparing rolling tanks in and launching missiles at civilians with unarmed people fleeing poverty looking for a chance to make a better life.
