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Ukraine

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Space Ghost

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    I dont debate. Debating is for losers. How can you even have a debate when nobody has all the facts. And what is the point of a debate if it has 0 impact.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Space Ghosting the D&D, a play in 2 acts

    1. I know nothing about this topic, but I have opinions and you're gonna hear them
    2. Click "post reply"

    [curtains down]
     
  3. Commodore

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    I guess American workers are all set!

     
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  4. SamFisher

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    Fascist baby man crocodile tears on my vegan foie gras are delectable.

    OMG subsidizing ambulance workers and medics in Ukraine - i was told this money was for KILLING ONLY

    ****in loser man.
     
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  5. Buck Turgidson

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    NOW 60 Minutes is a reputable news source? I was excoriated for using PBS Frontline as one earlier.

    I just would like to know what I can post outside of OANN, RT, NewsMax, Fox, Breitbart, and the like
     
  6. Commodore

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    We're 34 trillion in debt, why are we taking on more debt to fund Ukrainian jobs programs?

    the government is digging its own grave by destroying the currency

    the days of money printing will soon be at an end
     
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  7. LosPollosHermanos

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    lol I love how the liberal pile on starts. It’s like an emotional soy boy avalanche. And you know things are bad when Fishturd does one of those classic posts where it looks like he’s trying to convince himself more than anything..
     
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  8. Invisible Fan

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    For a second I read onan.net

    Those gais are circle jerkers...

    Anyhow, the charge of India refining Russia's goods for the greater market isn't old. Can't say Germans will never buy Russian derived gas. Europe spent a trillion in energy costs to power through this winter, and it was a softie that made the most perfect of gelato.

    Good luck with that one. Winter is coming again.
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    Most of the debt accrued in the last 5 years isn't from wars but from domestic spending, entitlements, covid response and lost income from tax cuts. Folks complaining in that Xitter tweet are acting like they never got a red cent of CARES1/CARES2/PPP money. Fatties on there just want another round on the government while hating the gov for it.

    And the reason why we're subsidizing Ukrainian jobs is because their economy collapsed after some rapist POS is still going scorched earth on Ukrainian territory, ****ing around with nuclear power plants old and new, destroying bridges, stealing their exports, and destroying the Ukranian economic and industrial infrastructure to "Shock n Uhhh" the Ukranians into submission.

    "Traditionalists" might remember what Sherman did to the South... Destroying resistance and morale through the civilian sector is what the Japanese tried to do to the Chinese with their brutal war crimes during WW2.

    It's not a waste of money. As long as they're fighting, then we have to prop them up as a "stable" nation or it becomes even more cynical and grotesque to ask Ukrainians fight for a homeland that's being reduced to ruble (rubble?). Propaganda clips of Ukranians throwing hiphop pool parties at Kiev doesn't diminish that message because it's not their fault.

    It has always been on Putin to GTFO.
     
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  10. astros123

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    I've asked you this many times but you never give me an answer? Can you kindly tell me a single year trump cut the deficit or didn't expand the deficit greatly?

    You folks were completely fine with him adding 2 trillion of deficit to help pass Tax cuts for corporations and hedge funds. Get the **** out of here with the debt bs. It's always same bullshit when a Democrat is in office.

    No modern republican president ever balanced the budget or cut the debt. Losers always whinning about the debt
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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  12. Amiga

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    The non-military aid (humanitarian and economic assistance) being provided to Ukraine is part of the overall package that Congress has appropriated.

    When the U.S. invested billions into World War 2 and post-war reconstruction efforts, it paid dividends for American workers who prospered in the thriving post-war economy. The U.S.'s investment of money and lives not only saved the world from a brutal dictator, but also established a more stable global order. This allowed the U.S. to reap economic benefits from its leadership role in promoting unity and peace.

    Had short-sighted opposition prevented such decisive U.S. action and leadership, the world today would undoubtedly be far more turbulent and unsafe. The tremendous economic growth and prosperity witnessed in post-WW2 would have been unlikely in that alternate scenario.

    Yet today, with the ability to aid Ukraine against Russian aggression at a fraction of the cost and without any loss of American life, some short-sightedly suggest risking the unraveling of Europe into conflict. Inaction not only jeopardizes economic stability and threatens American workers due to global interdependence but also leaves the United States potentially legally obligated to military involvement in a broader conflict through NATO.

    Providing aid to Ukraine is arguably one of the most cost-effective investments of U.S. resources abroad when weighing the potential benefits of stability and peace against the immense risks of unchecked Russian expansionism.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    For someone who says they don’t debate you sure do do it a lot.

    Anyway you’re right we have little to no effect here in Clutchfans, especially for an issue like military aid to Ukraine. That said having an informed opinion is important and confronting those with different views in a debate is helpful in becoming informed or deepening thought.

    I think of it likely playing pick up ball. Am any of us going to make it to the NBA playing pick up ball? It’s still a good way to keep
    In shape and also blow off steam.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Liberal pile on?

    There are many conservatives who support Ukraine and there are liberals who oppose it.
     
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  15. rocketsjudoka

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    US Aid has never been solely about weapons systems as providing economic aid has also been seen as a strategic benefit.
     
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  16. Space Ghost

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    @SamFisher who says Musk isn't funny

     
  17. juicystream

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    Or we'll elect Republican presidents and quit giving a damn that they raise the deficit every single time
     
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  18. Amiga

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    stupid, boring, unoriginal
     
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  19. Amiga

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    stupid, boring, unoriginal

    being funny is just not one of his skillset
     
  20. No Worries

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    The small government R schtick is meaningless, if the Rs only wheel it out when they are not out in power.
     

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