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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    Never watched Tuck enough to witness his high pitched whine and shrillness.

    Might be time for that hormone injection.
     
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    When’s the last time Mexico has literally had nuclear bombs pointed at the United States and endlessly threatened us with them verbally?
     
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    Comradore sees no issues.
     
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    I think you should stick to war strategy games. Also bball strategy.
     
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    Am I the only one who thinks Zelinski looks a bit ridiculous in his faux military costume.
    It would have been a bit like Dubya always wore one during his Iraq War blunder.
     
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    What should he wear? Wear expensive suits like the rest of them while his country is getting destroyed by war. Have him wear luxurious suits while every day people are suffering living under war?
     
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    Good observation.
    Zelensky is an actor. Warriors in battle dress fight, not negotiate. He certainly isn't fighting nor is he a military leader.

    So the question remains - who are the ambassadors in business attire negotiating for Ukraine and if Zelensky, who is obviously not qualified to be a field commander and in costume, who is actually making command decisions?

    We obviously know this answer.
     
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    @Commodore aren't we helping the cartels be supplied with weapons due to our relaxed rules regarding guns, or are we just ignoring that?
     
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    It's funny how right wingers worship tech billionaires. David sacks is a lying scumbag and it's funny how right wingers like yourself worship him. Tools

    David also predicted Russia would be in kyiv within a month last year. Guy has never been right about a single thing in his life. He literally spews lies in the name of reporting
     
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    Elon is wrong. Tom is 100% right.
     
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    they're both right.

    and Biden is too mentally incontinent to explain why.
     
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    Doesn’t bother me but I’m also not someone that consumes media that engages in pro Russia stances, or anti US stances that uses Zelensky as a vehicle to channel their anti American anger at.

    Not saying that you do consume that media but maybe you do catch a bit of that on the Noam Chomsky left. If you do I’d just remind you that he is a politician and his job is to politically positively affect his country in a way that helps them win a war. We can argue about his methods but the results have been pretty effective so far.

    If we want to objectively criticize I would say his appearances in front line areas with his troops are probably much more effective and certainly help his country rally sentiment internally when they see their elected leader in the trenches. That’s probably when he’s at his strongest from a war time leader perspective. The lobbying game with the West is something he has to be careful with from an optics standpoint politically at home so I think he’s doing the best he can to send a message back home to the troops on the front line and the civilians in bomb shelters nightly that he doesn’t really want to be there eating bon bons and drinking martinis. He’s there only to help get them weapons to win the war.
     
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    If you were actually objective and not just coming at it from an anti Biden perspective you’d know the well documented fact that Biden and co have explained over and over again that they have to hold the Allies together by moving in coordination with the countries like Germany who are the ones who really slow down how aggressive Ukraine can be with weaponry advances.

    The fear is that if the US or Poland or another country gets too aggressive on their own then it could allow Germany in particular an out to break from the alliance in how they coordinate together as a group.

    Argue that approach all you want but you cannot objectively argue that the Biden admin has not articulated that out to those who are willing to listen. I’m not asking for you to stop being MAGA and start being a Biden supporter, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask to be a tad bit objective on the facts every once in awhile.
     
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    You mean the cartel who smuggles over 200,000 guns a year from the US? They love our easy access to guns. They cant get them in Mexico.

    Fentanyl smuggling is ultimately funded by U.S. consumers (Nearly 99%), who pay for illicit opioids. It's US citizens trafficking over 85% of the drugs across the border. It's easier for U.S. citizens to cross legally than noncitizens, and for fentanyl producers to hire U.S. citizen smugglers.

    We need to treat the addictions, or the problem will never go away. There are far too many Americans hooked on opiods, who need help. Military Vets who suffer from chronic pain, are twice as likely as the general population to die from an opioid overdose. Far too many hooked on opiods cant stop, and desperately need help, intervention, and treatment.

    Opioid abuse hit some groups harder than others, including men, people with disabilities, those who have lost a spouse, renters, and those without health insurance.

    As long as there is a demand by US citizens, there will always be people trafficking those drugs for cash.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers
     
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    prevarication is killing Ukrainians. that's an objective fact.
     
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    It’s also a fact that Biden has not just held NATO together has even grown it.
     
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