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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. basso

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    More F16 utility thoughts:

     
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    Wait so FF thinks Ukraine is *not* going to make a scorched earth push to Moscow and reduce it to rubble? Way to go out on a limb.
     
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    Nothing as relaxing as a little afternoon drive around town...

     
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    The last time FF was quoted in a thread I called him always wrong. I guess he is avoiding being always wrong now by stating the obvious. “Hey guys, I don’t think Ukraine will fire bomb St. Petersburg.” Okay Francis, have a cookie.
     
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    I'm about to actually read the article, maybe there's a little more nuance to it.

    eta: Well, that didn't take long, this is funny and you pretty much nailed it:

    "I think that even for the most patriotic Ukrainian, such victory as the one that the Allies won over Germany and Japan is off the cards," the U.S. philosopher replied.

    “Such a scenario entails a country being bombed, deprived, and ultimately occupied by foreign troops.”But "no one is going to storm Moscow and occupy Moscow."

    "So, you will not get a defeat of Russia in this sense," Fukuyama added.

    “I think that in a world where there are nuclear weapons, you cannot defeat a nuclear power the way you defeated Germany.”

    He believes that "the victory should be much more partial,” stating that he hopes it will include the expulsion of Russia from the territories it occupied in Ukraine after 2014.

    "This is probably the extent of the victory that we can reasonably hope for," Fukuyama concluded.

    “If it happens, it will still be very important, because Putin has built all his legitimacy on seizing territories from Ukraine. I think it will be a very good development for democracy, and a bad development for him.”

    That's it, that's the article. Also, I think it's funny that he's glossed as a "philosopher"
     
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    Saved Us a Click.
     
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    You clicking first and then not posting it would have saved more clicks, no?

    But I'm glad you didn't. I kept expecting more, more of something, and then it ends. Perfect.
     
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    @SamFisher this wouldn't be happening if we'd supplied Patriots to Ukraine a year ago.

     
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    Biden gave Putin a green light.

     
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    This chart on the right is the most confusing infographic i have ever seen. Edward Tufte is going to crap his pants.

    Is it saying that disapproval rose from the black bar # to the red bar# ? Or that disapproval rose by the proportion of the red bar to the black bar? Or that the red and black bars are charting something else o_O
     
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