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Ukraine

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Space Ghost

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    I don't support the war. But I do indeed care about the Ukrainian people.
     
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  2. Ubiquitin

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    If Russia surrenders, the war is over. If Ukraine surrenders, Ukraine is over.
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    Just think of all the lives that could have been saved if we'd just agreed to taxation without representation!
     
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  4. Commodore

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    who are the embedded reporters to follow for war updates?
     
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    You're in good hands.
     
  6. Ottomaton

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    Wonder if his mom will have another kid to replace him. You know, if it makes it easier.
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    #10188 Ubiquitin, Nov 6, 2022
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  9. Amiga

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    Russia doesn't have to surrender. Just need to leave. OTOH, Ukraine either wins or die.
     
  10. Ottomaton

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    Russians looting everything not bolted down in Kherson, including this "train" for children.
     
  11. Major

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    Kind of like the thoughts and prayers crowd. "I care, but not enough to actually support anything that might help them."
     
  12. Ottomaton

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    This is the most obnoxious example of trying to have it both ways I think I've seen here. Even for spaceghost.

    I'm sure Switzerland had very nice things to say about the Jews in WW2 as well. That they cared, but didn't "support the war".

    You either have courage, and honor to fight for freedom, and humanity or you don't. Of course sometimes you or your country do not have the means to fight, but you still can support in whatever ways you can. I get that the US does not have the means to help out every single country that gets invaded, but Ukraine isn't just some random tiny country in Africa where a war lord got overrun by another war lord whose cousin was murdered by his brother. Doing what Putin has done here could literally start a world war.

    This is not just some tiny meaningless country we can shrug off and say I care about the people of X country, and wish we could do something but.... I'd rather give another tax break to Shell CEO's who are already making hand over fist cash. What happens in Ukraine will impact everyone in the world for generations.
     
  15. Ottomaton

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    He was great in Nosferatu.

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  16. No Worries

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    Tell me more about your Replacement Theory!
     
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    In fact, Ukraine’s resistance to Russia’s genocidal invasion does more for American security than any American policy does – or could do. It has changed the global balance in a way that makes peace more likely in decades to come. 2/

    Republicans present China as America’s real, long-term rival. Democrats agree. The scenario for a U.S.-China war is a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. By resisting a Russian invasion, Ukrainians have shown the difficulty of such operations, making this scenario less likely. 3/

    By fighting in self-defense, Ukrainians have thus reduced the risk of a major war and of a nuclear war. This extraordinary achievement is due to the courage and skill of Ukrainians. They do not get much credit for it. They should get more credit, and more support. 4/

    For decades, Republican and Democratic administrations alike have failed to formulate a policy that could prevent Russia from weakening and undoing the international order. Russia serves as a cat’s paw, doing what China would not wish to be seen doing. 5/

    In defeating Russia’s armed forces and exposing Russia’s weakness, the Ukrainians have both made a larger war in Europe far less likely, and gotten China’s cat’s paw under control. 6/

    The Ukrainians have reduced the possibility of Chinese aggression through Russia, and made direct Chinese aggression less likely. They have done all of this just by defending themselves, without making any move against China. 7/

    Without the Ukrainians, the United States would lack the policy instruments for this. By resisting, Ukrainians created an opportunity for U.S. policy that would not otherwise have existed. 8/

    No American lives have been placed at risk. U.S. assistance to Ukraine amounts to a rounding error in the defense budget. 9/

    The gains Ukrainian resistance brings to American security are so enormous that the US national security establishment is embarrassed to speak of them directly. 10/

    It is awkward to say that another country is doing so much for us. It is awkward to say that Ukrainian resistance has done more for the safety of Americans than any U.S. policy since the end of the cold war. But it is true and must be said. 11/

    Reversing the U.S. policy of aiding Ukraine will undo all of these gains. There is still time to revive Russia and reassure China, which is what ending support of Ukraine will mean. Such a policy reversal would make Americans far less safe and secure. 12/

    My concerns about the Russian invasion of Ukraine are the prevention of genocide and the defense of democracy. But those who think first of U.S. interests should acknowledge what Ukrainians are doing for American security. The least we can do is be on our own side 13/13
     
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    Well, my fish died over the weekend. My 4 year old said, "it's okay daddy, we'll just get three more!"


    That's essentially how the Russians are treating their soldiers. Right?
     
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    And most important without a commitment of US troops.
     
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