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  1. Ottomaton

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    [Sky News] 'Mass burial site containing 440 graves' found in Izyum after city liberated by Ukrainian forces

    A mass burial site containing around 440 graves has been found in the Ukrainian city of Izyum after it was liberated from Russian control, a top police officer has told Sky News.

    Serhii Bolvinov, the chief police investigator for Kharkiv region, said all the bodies would be exhumed and taken away for forensic examination as part of a major police effort, along with prosecutors and other investigators, to gather evidence of suspected Russian war crimes.

    He said the bodies had been individually buried at the makeshift site.

    Police officers were also aware of a number of other burial sites since they started to investigate what crimes had been committed in swathes of the Kharkiv region that had spent months under Russian control but are now back in Ukrainian hands, Mr Bolvinov said.

    Speaking about the Izyum site, the chief investigator said: "I can say that there is one of the biggest burials in one liberated city, which contains more than 440 graves. Some 440 bodies were buried in one place."

    Asked if he could say how the victims had died, he responded: "We know that some were killed [shot dead], some died because of artillery fire, so-called mine explosion traumas. Some died because of airstrikes. Also we have information that a lot of bodies have not been not identified yet. So the reasons of death will be established during the investigations."

    Mr Bolvinov described how the discovery of the site had impacted him.

    He said: "For me, it was especially shocking and horrific and this is a crime against humanity. It shouldn't be like this in a civilised world in 2022.

    "This is such a horrendous story and unpleasant from any angle. I am confident that the evil will definitely be punished."
     
  2. Ubiquitin

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    I know @SamFisher is unfofumtable with PDA , but surely he can make an exception here, even if it doesn’t involve the big guy showering with his daughter.

     
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  5. DaDakota

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    Like is not a big enough word for this post.

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  6. thegary

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    How long you figure before China owns Russia?
     
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    The moment after Ukraine owns Russia?
     
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  8. thegary

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    Ukraine ≠ China
     
  9. Ubiquitin

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    Tajiks are weak. Krygz strong.
    It looks like a little world war is ready to pop off where it's not west vs east but central asia vs the rest.

    Ukraine, Turkey, Israel, Azerbaijan, and now Kyrgyzstan vs Russia, Armenia, Syria, Iran, and now Tajikistan.

    The Moscow-Tehran axis is in tatters. Bayraktar rule the skys.
     
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  10. thegary

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    My point is that Russia, no matter how this war ends, has lost their ability to do business with the west. They are going to have to rely more and more on China for their economic survival. China now has all the leverage and a vastly superior economy.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Putin must be kicked out.....for Russia to survive, the sooner the better...it is a mob run operation and the Don needs to go.

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  12. Ubiquitin

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    [​IMG]

    Is the Mongol gang getting back together for one last show?
     
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    you'd want to include actual Mongolia.
     
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  14. Ubiquitin

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    For whatever reason, Mongolia is not included in modern pan-Turkism despite being a founding member.

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    Golden Horde (including modern day Ukraine. Crimea was its own Khan state until 1780s)

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    Ironically, modern day Turkey is probably actually pre-existing Anatolians adopting Turk traditions of their Ottoman overlords than being ethnic Turk despite being Turkey. Although the Seljuks would say otherwise.
     
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    what say you @Ottomaton
     
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    Honestly -- do you think China would support a dissolution of Imperial Russia with the western half falling under the influence of Ukraine and the central and eastern half falling under Chinese influence like during Tang dynasty/Silk road times.

    Restoration of the Kievan Rus under Ukrainian Rule:

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    China reclaims dominance over:
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    Of course this is all predicated on the actual fall of Russia.
     
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    China needs energy. Ask Europe how their leverage is these days.
     
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    Are you suggesting that Russia has improved their geopolitical positioning as a result of this invasion?
     
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