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  1. Ottomaton

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    Crude price has dipped is below the price where it was when Russia started their invasion in February.
     
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  4. DaDakota

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    Way to go Biden!

    DD
     
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    Didn't Biden blame Putin for the inflation and price hikes?

    The political finger pointing is tedious and short term minded.
     
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    smdh, sending billions in money and weapons to one of the most corrupt countries on the planet

     
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    Putin deserves to be blamed for a good chunk of it. He invaded Ukraine. He's cut off most of the gas to the EU, and the sanctions on Putin's regime is driving up the price of oil, and the sanctions are because he invaded Ukraine.

    Another big chunk is due to the pandemic. Biden inherited it. Seems to be popular now in some circles to blame Biden for pretty much everything, which is ridiculous. You can blame him for having the charisma of a turnip, but most of what he's doing in response to Putin is on target, in my opinion. Some of us know something about history.

    As for the pandemic, China has locked down large chunks of their industry, creating all kinds of shortages, driving up prices. What would you have Biden do? Machin and Sinema are a roadblock. What would you have Biden do?
     
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    Stop lying and spinning but that's part of the game...
     
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    I agree, but it's been part of politics since the first caveman talked himself into being "head of the hunt" so he could get a better share of whatever game they were after by presenting himself as the most "hunt leader" type of guy, whether he really was or not.

    Biden just isn't very good at all with the PR end of politics. He doesn't have any charisma. He's old and looks it. He's old and acts like it, and fighting a stutter he's had all his life doesn't help that any. He's dealing with a razor thin political margin that's made up of differing factions that spend far too much valuable time, time running out, fighting each other instead of fighting the Republican Party. Two key players figured out that they ended up with power all out of proportion to what they deserve based on talent. Heck, Manchin's biggest talent is lining his pockets. Sinema cares more about protecting the wealthy than she does about protecting the traditional base of the Democratic Party.

    You want Biden to stop "lying and spinning." He's a politician. It's what they all do, but having him in office beats holy hell out of the alternative. Spending time beating him up, figuratively speaking, doesn't help any. @Os Trigonum certainly enjoys the hell out of doing it, while giving the extremists running the GOP pass after pass after pass. After the far-right Supreme Court ruling that overturned Roe and looks eager to gut a host of very hard won progressive progress, much of it of decades standing, you would think that it would bring a huge number of independent and Democratic voters to the ballot boxes in November, not only holding seats, but perhaps even adding a few.

    Much of that energy seems to be aimed at Biden instead. That's a road to ruin, in my humble opinion, a road I've seen traveled time and again. Meanwhile, the minority party, the Republicans, stand united behind a corrupt psychopathic liar, busy gutting state election laws and filling the positions that are meant to insure our elections are free and fair in states across the country so that they can actually steal elections. Not just lie about fair elections being stolen. That's lying and spinning for real, @Invisible Fan.
     
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    @Deckard If it's BAU to hide the truth, then they need better lies and spin that will hold when he gets called out for them.

    He's not earning credibility when his office shifts the definition of Recession or pretending lower middle income groups aren't underwater from inflated CoL prices from food, fuel, and rent. Some degree of truth would be helpful rather than playing semantics that could blow up in their faces in another 2-3 months like this whole blame shifting with summer gas prices.

    None of these lies can hold that long, so why bother except to make the officials saying it look incompetent and hamfisted (Yelen, Powell, Deese)? Yellen should definitely retire BTW.

    I'm sure people know the cost of stolen elections given that they elected Biden over the former Thief of State, but they will continue not to trust Democrats and split power by ignoring the down ballot when Dems can not win credibility with handling the economy.

    I'm not saying it's all Biden's fault, but he will get the blame when he takes short term credit or passes short term blame for numbers that aren't that impressive.
     
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    You're selling Louie Gohmert and @Commodore way short
     
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    Shocking a politician taking short term credit and deflecting blame!

    I’ve never liked Biden personally and I still cringe many times I hear him speak. He is delivering though and his legislative record is far better than Trump and even Obama at this time. He’s passed more substantial bipartisan legislation than Obama did in his whole terms.

    For that matter if Biden is going to get all the blame for the rise in gas prices shouldn’t he get some of the credit for them dropping.

    Your argument about Biden seems more about perception and holding him to a standard that no politician has.
     
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    I think "volunteer" is always a euphemism when it comes to North Korea.
     
  15. Invisible Fan

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    I try to call out both party leaders for their BS and don't feel the need to couch it with a lot of side achievements to make swallowing the initial lie easier.

    In this case, it's easier for voters to dismiss the cynical bait and switch and follow the Con narrative that Dems "can't manage the economy".

    Many folks don't care about terms like "technical rescession" or "NBER Approved recession" and look more towards consistency with the things they primarily care about.

    Libs need to stop riding the jock of out of touch ivory tower folks and see things more clearly on the ground.

    Hillary taught you all nothing.

    Weird hill to die on folks.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    What your complaining about is perception versus record. You’re down playing actual achievements because you don’t like the presentations
     
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  17. Invisible Fan

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    So Biden Achieved lower gas prices?

    That's what I'm talking about. You strawman'd the rest.
     
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    Inducing a recession to drop gas prices from $5 to $4, huzzah
     

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