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  1. basso

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    Lol. Even better once Russia figures out where they import most of that railway infrastructure supplies from (hint: it's the US)
     
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    Putin to Ukraine: Russia has barely started its action

    MOSCOW (AP) — With Russia’s military action in Ukraine in its fifth month, Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday warned Kyiv that it should quickly accept Moscow’s terms or brace for the worst, adding ominously that Russia has barely started its action. Speaking at a meeting with leaders of the Kremlin-controlled parliament, Putin accused Western allies of fueling the hostilities, charging that “the West wants to fight us until the last Ukrainian.”

    “It’s a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but it looks like it’s heading in that direction,” he added. “Everybody should know that largely speaking, we haven’t even yet started anything in earnest,” Putin said in a menacing note. He declared that Russia remains ready to sit down for talks to end the fighting, adding that “those who refuse to do so should know that the longer it lasts the more difficult it will be for them to make a deal with us.”

    “We are hearing that they want to defeat us on the battlefield,” Putin said. “Let them try.”

    Earlier in the conflict, the Kremlin demanded that Kyiv acknowledge Russian sovereignty over the Crimea peninsula it annexed from Ukraine in 2014 and recognize the independence of Moscow-backed separatist regions in eastern Ukraine. Moscow also said it expected Ukraine to bow to the existing situation on the ground, a reference to other land gains it has made since the Russian troops rolled into Ukraine on Feb. 24. After failing to capture Kyiv and other big cities in Ukraine’s northeast early in the campaign, the Russian military shifted its focus to Ukraine’s eastern industrial heartland of Donbas where Moscow-backed separatists have fought Ukrainian troops since 2014.

    Earlier this week, the Russian military claimed control of the Luhansk province, one of the two regions that make up Donbas, and is preparing to press its offensive into the second one, the Donetsk region. In the early stages of the conflict, Russia won control of the southern Kherson region and part of neighboring Zaporizhzhia. Moscow is expected to try to eventually cut Ukraine off from its Black Sea coast all the way to the Romanian border. If that succeeded, it would deal a crushing blow to the Ukrainian economy and also create a corridor to Moldova’s separatist region of Transnistria that hosts a Russian military base.

    Putin reaffirmed his long-held claim that the West using the conflict in Ukraine to try to isolate and weaken Russia. “They simply don’t need such a country as Russia,” Putin said. “This is why they have used terrorism, separatism and internal destructive forces in our country.” He charged that Western sanctions against Russia have failed to achieve their goal of “sowing division and strife in our society and demoralizing our people.”

    “The course of history is unstoppable, and attempts by the collective West to enforce its version of the global order are doomed to fail,” Putin said.
     
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    LOL - good for them; hopefully they start for real soon and start losing even more impressively.
     
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    All the more reason to make sure the Russians aren't successful.

    Hopefully the United States and its allies will continue to support the democracy against the Authoritarian military aggressors who chose to invade them.
     
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    This depends of course - if pro Russian elements - like the entire GOP leadership, its judges and voting base, as well as their advanced NBA BBS posting cadres (@basso @tinman @Os Trigonum ) are able to take control of Congress - you'll probably see a lot more pro-Putin pro Z invasion, leaks to Russian intelligence, etc.
     
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    (1) pro-Russia?
    (2) "posting cadres"
     
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    Some of those in the bbs Cadre seem particularly pro Ukraine.
     
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    The US has not allowed Ukrainians to fire their artillery into Russian soil. I suspect that's probably a red line along with a total cutoff of gas to Europe in the winter.

    So many elements of this proxy war is like a controlled wildfire in the Western US...
     
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    Ukraine should be firing INTO RUSSIA make them feel what they are doing to the Ukraine.

    DD
     
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    Id love it
     
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    For Russia it’s war of conquest, for the US it is a proxy war that they are trying to keep in Ukraine.
     
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    The rightwing is so enamored with el Trumpo that they will support even the Russians in a war. Of course it is true that they are always for war, but the side they are choosing is strange.
     
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    Has this been posted? Outstanding video on the root of the war.

     
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