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Ukraine scandal Megathread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. mtbrays

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    The transcript isn't the issue and the Democrats need to be smart enough (lol) to hammer the whistleblower complaint. That is something the White House cannot spin.
     
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  2. Dubious

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    You can't? Deep State Spying! And once the source becomes public, they will destroy his reputation.
     
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  3. DaDakota

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    With propaganda and lies.

    Fox is the least truthful channel on TV - they are akin to Goebells propaganda in Nazi germany.

    DD
     
  4. NewRoxFan

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  5. AleksandarN

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    I recommend Noam Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent. His book which is over 30 years old is still valid, even more so, today.
     
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  6. AleksandarN

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    I wonder what other leaders try to jail their opponents?
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Apparently he didn't understand the law, and was probably made to understand that he had been admitting guilt.
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    How was he supposed to know what he did was illegal! He is the president not a lawyer!
     
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    Just thinking out loud... What if this is a trap?
     
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  10. B-Bob

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    Well, consider:
    (1) this POTUS famously doesn't take advice.
    (2) so, if 4D Admiral Akbar level trap, POTUS presumably came up with it. Possible? The best plan since Trump Steaks (the best steaks)? [unlikely]
    (3) this POTUS famously impulsive and self-centered.
    (4) launching a trap means sticking to a plan for more than a week [unlikely]

    Still possible though. The whole thing does make, perversely, his reelection more likely, IMHO. Just gives him even more attention and more domination of air time, making every other candidate seem less important.
     
  11. MojoMan

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    Trump has authorized the release of the transcripts from his conversation with the Ukranian President.

     
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  12. KingCheetah

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    How many calls did he make with the Ukrainian President -- just one?
     
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  13. MojoMan

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    Why are you asking me? How should I know?

    In any case, the Ukranian leader has already said that President Trump did not pressure him in any way. So if these transcripts confirm that, then the Dems are pretty much going to have to come out and admit that their effort to try to impeach Trump is being motivated by naked partisan political hatred and not really anything else.
     
  14. AleksandarN

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    Ok if that is indeed the case then the IG report should come out as well and if it was an over reach on the IG then he should be fired. The most important thing is transparency with this situation. I think the majority of the population would agree.
     
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  15. KingCheetah

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    You're such a political savant with your finger on the pulse of world politics I expected a thoughtful non-biased response -- instead I received an answer indicating weakness and uncertainty. One could make a strong case for outright fear of being so alone in the dark on a critical Trump political issue.

    Or... I was just asking a general question of the tweet in your post that is open to anyone.
     
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    Sounds like the perfect time for a war with Iran.
     
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  17. AleksandarN

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    If it is and used the IG to spread a false alarm then that too is abuse of power for political gain.
     
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    Well that sucks.
    I was hoping to go at least till Oct. before the next impeachable offense.
     
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  19. DaDakota

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    And the whistle blower has asked to testify - let's go!

    DD
     
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