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UK Telegraph: Ft. Hood linked to 9/11

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  1. basso

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    I'm sure I'm a ****in piece of **** for mentioning this.

    [rquoter]Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists
    Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

    By Philip Sherwell and Alex Spillius
    Published: 8:17PM GMT 07 Nov 2009

    Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.
    The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

    Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree.

    As investigators look at Hasan's motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.

    Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.

    Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an "al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers... who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen".

    Last night Hasan remained in a coma under guard at a military hospital in San Antonio, Texas, and was said to be in a "stable" condition. Born in America to a Palestinian family, Hasan, 39, was an army psychiatrist who had chosen to sign up for the US military against his parents' wishes.

    But he turned into an angry critic of the wars America was waging in Iraq and Afghanistan and had tried in vain to negotiate his discharge.
    He counselled soldiers returning from the front line and told relatives that he was horrified at the prospect of a deployment to Afghanistan later this year – his first time in a combat zone.

    Whether due to his personal convictions, his stress over his deployment or other reasons, Hasan is alleged to have snapped and gone on a murderous rampage with a powerful semi-automatic handgun after shouting "Allahu Akhbar" ("God is great"), according to survivors. He had earlier given away copies of the Koran to neighbours.

    Investigators at this stage have no indication that he planned the attacks with anyone else. But they are trawling through his phone records, paperwork and computers he used before the attack during an apparently sleepless night.

    Five of the 13 victims were fellow mental health professionals from three units of the army's Combat Stress Control Detachment, it was disclosed yesterday.
    It is understood that Hasan had been due to be deployed with members of those units in coming months. Whether he deliberately singled out other combat stress counsellors is another key question.

    What does seem clear is that the army missed an increasing number of red flags that Hasan was a troubled and brooding individual within its ranks.
    "I was shocked but not surprised by news of Thursday's attack," said Dr Val Finnell, a fellow student on a public health course in 2007-08 who heard Hasan equate the war on terrorism to a war on Islam. Another student had warned military officials that Hasan was a "ticking time bomb" after he reportedly gave a presentation defending suicide bombers.

    Kamran Pasha, the author of Mother of the Believers, a new novel relating the story of Islam from the perspective of Aisha, Prophet Mohammed's wife, was told of the al-Awlaki connection from a Muslim friend who is also an officer at Fort Hood. Using the name Richard, the recent convert to Islam described how he frequently prayed with Hasan at the town mosque after Hasan was deployed to Fort Hood in July. They last worshipped together at predawn prayers on the day of the massacre when Hasan "appeared relaxed and not in any way troubled or nervous".

    But Richard had previously argued with Hasan when he said that he felt the "war on terror" was really a war against Islam, expressed anti-Jewish sentiments and defended suicide bombings.

    "I asked Richard whether he believed that Hasan was motivated by religious radicalism in his murderous actions," Mr Pasha said.
    "Richard, with great sadness, said that he believed this was true. He also believed that psychological factors from Hasan's job as an army psychiatrist added to his pathos. The news that he would be deployed overseas, to a war that he rejected, may have pushed him over the edge.

    "But Richard does not excuse Hasan. As a Muslim, he finds Hasan's religious perspectives to be fundamentally misguided. And as a soldier, he finds Hasan's actions cowardly and evil."

    Fellow Muslims in the US armed forces have also been quick to denounce Hasan's actions and insist that they were the product of a lone individual rather than of Islamic teachings. Osman Danquah, the co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, said Hasan never expressed anger toward the army or indicated any plans for violence.

    But he said that, at their second meeting, Hasan seemed almost incoherent.
    "I told him, 'There's something wrong with you'. I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."
    He was sufficiently troubled that he recommended the centre reject Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at Fort Hood.

    Hasan had, in fact, already come to the attention of the authorities before Thursday's massacre. He was suspected of being the author of internet postings that compared suicide bombers with soldiers who throw themselves on grenades to save others and had also reportedly been warned about proselytising to patients.

    At Fort Hood, he told a colleague, Col Terry Lee, that he believed Muslims should rise up against American "aggressors". He made no attempt to hide his desire to end his military service early or his mortification at the prospect of deployment to Afghanistan. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there," said his cousin, Nader Hasan.

    Yet away from his strident attacks on US foreign policy, he came across as subdued and reclusive – not hostile or threatening. Soldiers he counselled at the Walter Reed hospital in Washington praised him, while at Fort Hood, Kimberly Kesling, the deputy commander of clinical services, remarked: "Up to this point, I would consider him an asset."

    Relatives said that the death of Hasan's parents, in 1998 and 2001, turned him more devout. "After he lost his parents he tried to replace their love by reading a lot of books, including the Koran," his uncle Rafiq Hamad said.
    "He didn't have a girlfriend, he didn't dance, he didn't go to bars."

    His failed search for a wife seemed to haunt Hasan. At the Muslim Community Centre in the Washington suburb of Silver Spring, he signed up for an Islamic matchmaking service, specifying that he wanted a bride who wore the hijab and prayed five times a day.

    Adnan Haider, a retired professor of statistics, recalled how at their first meeting last year, a casual introduction after Friday prayers, Hasan immediately asked the academic if he knew "a nice Muslim girl" he could marry.
    "It was a strange thing to ask someone you have met two seconds before. It was clear to me he was under pressure, you could just see it in his face," said Prof Haider, 74, who used to work at Georgetown University in Washington. "You could see he was lonely and didn't have friends.

    "He is working with psychiatric people and I ask why the people around him didn't spot that something was wrong? When I heard what had happened I actually wasn't that surprised."

    Indeed, many of the characteristics attributed to Hasan by acquaintances – withdrawn, unassuming, brooding, socially awkward and never known to have had a girlfriend – have also applied to other mass murderers.

    Hasan was born and brought up in Virginia to parents who ran restaurants after emigrating to America from the West Bank. He graduated from Virginia Tech university – coincidentally, the scene of the worst mass shooting in US history in 2007 – with a degree in biochemistry and then joined the army, which trained him as a psychiatrist.

    Relatives said that he was subjected to increasingly ugly taunts about his religion and ethnicity from other soldiers after the September 11 attacks. But his uncle insisted yesterday that Hasan would not have been driven to mass murder by revenge or religion.

    Speaking in the West Bank town of al-Bireh, Mr Hamad said his nephew "loved America" and could only have been caused to snap by an as yet unexplained factor. "He always said there was no country in the world like America," he told The Sunday Telegraph. "Something big happened to him in Texas. If he did it – and until now I am in denial – it had to have been something huge because revenge was not in his nature."[/rquoter]
     
  2. Al Calavicci

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    You're a ****in piece of **** for a lot of reasons.
     
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  3. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    No one likes you and everything you touch turns to *****.

    Go away and do not come back.
     
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    Everyday that goes by, you prove yourself as a classless act.
     
  5. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    Plenty of posters from both sides respect me here.

    I hope the same can be said for you.
     
  6. Northside Storm

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    hoo boy, things are getting venomous.

    this is totally my opinion, but I really don't think it's worth it getting all worked out over this...Basso's being...well, pretty terrible over this issue, but there's no use descending to his level by just hurling epithets.

    Also, I'm trying to figure out what the hell that five-letter asterisk could be :confused:
     
  7. PointForward

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    no basso, this doesn't make u a piece of ****, this just makes this stupid article a piece of ****.

    a radical imam, really? they make it out as if this whole thing was a grand terrorist plan. It clearly wasn't. it was just a mentally ill freak who decided to shoot random people around him, he happened to be a freaking muslim and now we automatically think it's islam that made him do it. Contrary to what the media reported, he didn't scream "allahuakbar" when he did this (CNN interviewed that was near him the whole time and he confirmed that this sick b*stard said NOTHING), he wasn't doing it for his religion, he's just mentally sick, a psychopath, an idiot..

    will they please drop it already and stop trying to find connections between him and islam and try to analyze every bit of information to create a tie there? it's really sickening.
     
  8. mc mark

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    no basso, posting that article doesn't make you a ****in piece of ****

    Your history on the BBS does.

    Little Evidence of Terror Plot in Base Killings

    WASHINGTON — After two days of inquiry into the mass shooting at Fort Hood, investigators have tentatively concluded that it was not part of a terrorist plot.

    Rather, they have come to believe that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused in the shootings, acted out under a welter of emotional, ideological and religious pressures, according to interviews with federal officials who have been briefed on the inquiry.
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    I smell a killer poll topic in the hangout...
     
  10. basso

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    where might such religious pressures have come from?

    Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists,

    and you don't find that newsworthy?

    interesting...
     
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    yes.













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  13. pgabriel

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    Maybe he went to Jeremiah Wright's church also. huuummmm
     
  14. glynch

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    Well Fort Hood and 9/11 are linked.

    Some Saudis and a few Al Qaeda terrorists killed folks on 9/11. Dubya and Cheney used this dishonestly to start major wars and occupations of Afghanistan and specifically Iraq, which they later admitted had nothing to do with 9/11/. The tens of thousands of US service personnel, killed, wounded and left with PTSD is a continuing problem playing out with various pathologies which will be with us as long as these people live. Fort Hood is the most glaring recent example.
     
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    I read in the papers that this guy wanted to leave the army a few times, and the army missed the warning signs about him (he argued with other soldiers over whether the war was justified, and after 9/11 he was put under a lot of verbal abuse). It's probably best not to send troops into a region where the troop's ancestors are from.
     
  16. basso

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    how did PTSD affect Hasan? he'd never been to either iraq or afhanistan.
     
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    hasan was of palestinian heritage, but born in the US.
     
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    I appreciate the sentiment, but they really, really can't do that. When you sign a contract for the military they are very clear that you can't just quit when you feel like it. The guy got 10 years of education paid for by the US government. It isn't like a credit card where you can just default and just end up with a seven year bad mark on your credit report.

    If he was unwilling to do what he agreed to, he shouldn't have signed the contract for the education. There are plenty of people who make their way through college and medical school in ways other than on the government's dime.

    The guy was just disaffected and feeling sorry for himself. Man up and get over it. There is no set of circumstances where the Army should change its practices because this guy was a whiny, self absorbed p***y.

    The same applies to all the people who joined the Army to get a free ride through college and suddenly tried to claim 'contentious objector' status when they were activated to go to war in 2002. If you are unwilling to fulfill your end of the agreement, then don't agree to it in the first place. If you are really a contentious objector, you should be wise enough to not join the Army and try and get something for nothing. And if you screwed up and joined anyway, deal with the consequences of your mistake, don't go on a shooting rampage.

    The army shouldn't twist itself into knots to protect from the possibility that there is a crazy soldier out there.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    its already been discussed by several authorities on the subject that being a pychiatrist for these soilders is very stressfull
     
  20. basso

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    so is attending a radical mosque.
     

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