[Uh-Oh]Israel and Gaza on the brink of all out WAR

Great post. I agree with everything, except that I would call Hamaas a terrorist organization, they are the scum of the earth to be honest. To everyone like texxx making r****ded arguments about what people that don't want to see civilian casualties believing in what hamaas is doing is a complete and utter detraction from the argument.

 

If this was true then Israel would've already had a one state solution where they offered all of the Palestinians Israeli citizenship.

Relevance?

 

But the people of Gaza voted for Hamas...

 

Nonsense.

 

You might want to read the thread first.

 

When your homes are getting demolished and everyone around you is getting injured its a lot easier to vote for the people giving you assistance. Especially when Israel blocks what goes into Gaza sending their economy back like no other. One of the ministers already claimed that they wouldn't be satisfied untill Gaza went back to the "Middle ages" which is kind of sad since they are already set so far back already.

 

You might want to start questioning yourself when people have the impression that you are usually in the same camp as Mathloon.

 

If Israel welcome Muslims as Tallnvor says then why don't they just grant the Palestinians citizenship and/or allow right of return?

 

Stop arguing with him. You know how it always ends. He knows when he is the corner, when all else fails...buh..buh Fort Hood shooter derrr!

 

Because they would quickly be in the minority in their own country - with a majority that supports people like Hamas - whose goal it is to murder Jews.

Stop being disingenuous.

What mgraye2969 said is true:

"If Israel were to put down their weapons, there would be no such place or people."

Obviously, whoever is in the majority controls who owns the weapons.

 

Typo?

You can ask Mathloom how much he feels I am in the same camp with him.

Anyway if people do that is their business. I am not in one camp or the other but stating my views. You on the other hand seem much more interested about who is with who and I've noticed in these type of threads you end up spending a disproportionate amount of time attacking / or defending other posters than you do actually debating issues.

 

So then you agree that Israel is not actually welcoming of Muslims.

 

Good point.

 

Nope.

 

From my understanding, the blockade was limited a while ago to only weapons. Customs still has to go through Israel but the duties are free. I don't know if it's true, but I've been told that the Israeli government has even let drugs through if they are going to Gaza. As long as it isn't a weapon, they don't care. But to be fair the person making the decision of what could be used as a weapon could be reaching pretty far (like saying concrete can be used to build bunkers, etc, especially since a lot of the rockets are made in Gaza and can justify the restrictions).

I've never been a huge fan of the flotillas and I think there are better ways of helping Gaza, since all they do is justify the blockade from an Israeli point of view. The border crossing to Egypt is open and Egyptians enforce the same restrictions. Iran has still managed to smuggle in plenty.

A lot has changed since Hamas chased the PA out. Israel's other concern is not wanting Gazans crossing into Israel, which makes travel to and from the West Bank a problem (families cut off, young people not able to study in the universities, etc). Seven years ago Israel was pressured to do something about it so they proposed a bus system that mostly used tunnels and made no stops in Israel (a shuttle that goes between the two territories) and offered to fund most of it, but Hamas started rocketing again shortly after so the idea was scrapped.

Plenty of money has poured in to try and build there, but the religious nuts are nutty even by Middle-Eastern standards. There was a water park built for kids and it was sabotaged by some angry extremists. Between their own nutters and the bombings by Israel every few years, it's amazing there's any infrastructure or commerce at all.

Gaza is small and crowded, but it's 141 square miles, Manhattan is 23. If you added the Bronx and Brooklyn, it would be close The stat I always hear is "about twice the size of DC."

You'd never be able to prevent launches. The problem now is that there are towns and farms that go right up to the border, so people living on the Israel side in places like Sderot have been getting pummeled with homemade mortars and short range stuff for years, even during times of relative "peace" when the big stuff is not being used, and Israel refrains from responding.

Having military in a future buffer zone (forward observers, artillery, probably armor and bases for drones) creates a deterrent to that sort of thing. You'd be able to respond immediately -- but of course it makes the forces there the new targets. It's been talked about, and not much came of it, but it might be more popular of an idea now.

 

Israel hates Phalestinis.

 

Why does his timeline start on November 8th? When he says that Israel is bombing civilian areas, why does he not mention that Hamas fights from those civilian areas? He talks about civilian deaths from the bombing, but makes no mention of the Hamas fighters killed, does he believe that Israel is not killing any militants with these bombings? He mentions that "resistance fighters" attacked an Israeli military patrol, why no mention of the indiscriminate bombardment of southern Israel by Hamas? If this guy is your source of information, it is not at all surprising that you blame Israel.

 

It's also ironic, when we are talking about Eli Yishai, a high ranking member of Shas who's mindset is firmly in the Middle Ages and is a mirror image of the Hamas thugs:

 

Since Hamas commits a wrong by firing rockets from civilian areas, do you believe it is reasonable for Israel to commit a wrong by intentionally launching an attack with knowledge that such an attack will cause incidental loss of civilian life.

 

States aren't religious simply because the majority of people in those states belong to a certain religion. That's absurd.