http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=3077&offset=0 13/09/09 - Bas Rutten responds to Kimbo Regular readers of Fighters Only will know that earlier this year we spoke to Dutch legend Bas Rutten. One of the subjects was his former student Kimbo Slice. The two fell out recently and Rutten says he told Kimbo he could no longer train him as he “turned into an *******”. (Click here for original interview). Last week we talked to Kimbo and he responded to Bas’ comments by saying he is “not a good teacher” (click here). To say this ruffled El Guapo’s feathers would be putting it mildly. Rutten sent an email to Fighters Only last night saying he “had to respond to this”. Rutten wrote: Hey guys, I didn’t say that he was an *******, I said that he TURNED into an *******, I actually told him this also about 5 weeks before the Petruzelli fight, I told him that I thought he turned into a *******, he said that he didn’t realize that and apologized, he did that two more times that day and even called me to say he didn’t knew he was doing that. Later I called him an ******* because all of the **** that he took for granted, I also told him that I had no respect for him in our last meeting, but why I said that? I won’t even go there. I never said “I tried to teach you stuff but its not working”, I don’t say the word “stuff” when I mean skills or technique, I said, I try to teach you skills but you are not listening. Example, all the fights before the last one, he would print out my game plan, well, he didn’t need to print out my game plan the last fight he had against Petruzelli, first line in the game plan? “DO NOT rush in!” The night before Petruzelli I told him to do some heel hook escapes (he was still going to fight Ken at that time), he said he didn’t need to do that because it was not going to the ground. I told him that I liked his attitude but I wanted him to do it “Just for sure”, but he said no. I told him “Don’t let me tell you “I told you so” when Shamrock rips your leg in half”, he said “I don’t know if that’s good to say to me before a fight, mentally wise?? Mentally wise? WTF? I don’t think it’s a good idea to not do what I tell you to do. See what I mean? He didn’t listen. Pretending to be a friend and getting paid GOOD for my work? Ha ha, OK, lets see here. Lets say that he made $100,000, I couldn’t train him two times a day so I told my buddy at my gym, Randy Khatami, who’s a great boxing coach and also teaches some basic submissions, that I would take him in the morning, and he would take him at night. Now everybody tells me that I just have to pay my friend a certain amount of money, like a “per hour” deal because it would be better “money wise” for me. But since I believe that a TEAM works together, I just pay him half of what I make. Lets do the math here, 10% of 100,000, is $10,000, that I split in half, so I make $5000 in 5 or 6 weeks. I also told him BEFORE I started training him, that he had to understand that when I had a commentary job, that I had to do that, since this was not a “money making machine for me” (try to live in CA from $5000 in 6 weeks and support a family, haha, I dare you). He and his manager Mike, who’s a great guy, told me they understood that. Since I believed in him, and considered him a friend, I said NO to a whole bunch of commentary jobs because I wanted to be there for him for the entire time. Meaning, I actually LOST money training Kimbo. Well, actually, with the last fight (because they re-negotiated), I think I evened it out, but never made money. I did all this because I liked the guy, I like his friends and I think he has a great family that needs support. We would have a lot of fun when we were travelling. EVERYBODY told me to NOT train him, “He’s a thug, it will backfire, he will f**k you in the end”, and God knows what more they told me. Nope, “he’s a great guy, a family man and friend”, that’s what I told the whole freaking world! You think was lying about that? You know me, I always tell the truth, it’s funny that he says this, because I considered HIM my friend. After our split I even told his manager Mike that I could set him up with pro wrestling in Japan, he still had to provide for his family right? And a bad teacher? Ah well, I don’t need to answer this, but just so HE can read this. -I started Genki Sudo’s career, when Genki heard I was in the US he moved to LA to train with me, I trained him about 2.5 years, I put him in his first fights, he was just a wrestler coming in, look at him now. -Carlos Newton came to train with me for three months, lived in the gym, I really made him better, ask him what he learned and how his career went after that, won his next 5 fights in a row. -Mark Kerr, I brought him up to speed, every fight that I trained him for, he won, what happened to him after that, was his own fault. -Duane Ludwig did/still does good, he was the first one to KO Jens Pulver, and I don’t think he ever lost when I trained him. -The guys from the IFL, the Anacondas, were kicking ass when I was with them. -And then I helped a whole bunch of “already top fighters” who came to me to help them, to polish up their fight game. -Oh, and lets not forget that I trained him and he won all his fights until he stopped listening. If Kimbo would have done everything that he did in the beginning when he came in, he had great potential. To now blame that on the people who trained him, very loser thing to do. And if it was so bad, why is he still with Randy Khatami? He trains him in the style as I do because I told him so. See what I mean? He makes no sense. Lets see what he did in the “Ultimate fighter” with his new and improved training. To put it in his own words. “Haha, but its all good, we all do what we gotta do”. Godspeed and party on! Bas
Prediction time: Main Card - Nate Diaz vs. Melvin Guillard - Roger Huerta vs. Gray Maynard - Carlos Condit vs. Chris Lytle - Nate Quarry vs. Tim Credeur Prelims - Steve Cantwell vs. Brian Stann - Chris Wilson vs. Mike Pyle - Ed Herman vs. Aaron Simpson - Jeremy Stephens vs. Justin Buchholz - Ryan Jensen vs. Steve Steinbeiss
I read the same thing on Sherdog message boards. Not sure if its true or not. Im crunk...less than 5 hours till FN.
I'm definitely watching this season. Rampage is one funny ass mofo. Hahaha. "He's keep doing the same thing!" LMAO! Kimbo might not be the most skilled MMA fighter but he's entertaining as hell to watch. You can't hate him either. I respect him for taking on this challenge even though he knows he might get exposed. That was the bloodiest and worst one-sided beatdown I've seen in a long time. I felt bad for him after a while. =/
Damn, that cut on that dude was deep. I found it funny how he was afraid the shot and stitches were going to hurt him. Dude went two rounds with another guy on top of him delivering elbows and punches for the entire rounds but is is asking the Doc is the shot was going to hurt. That guy who lost thinks he might have a chance to comeback. No shot of that happening, he did NOTHING in the entire fight.
Rampage is a terrible coach, lol. He picked his team based on size not skill... and he ****ing picked KIMBO with his first selection. He also had the luxury of picking the first fight and he goes ahead and picks Rashad's best wrestler to go against a dude who has ZERO ground game. Bloody mess ensued. and during the entire fight the only advise Rampage gave to Abe was "GET UP ABE, YOU GOTTA GET UP"
yea the forrest/rampage ultimate fighter he seemed to be the same way. i think he knows what he would do and wants his fighters to do, but he cant properly coach em into it. i know jackson is a knock out guy, but you gotta be able to tell guys how to have ground defense and be able to tell them where and what to do while on the ground. granted that dude had none, he got taken down everytime, no resistance at all.
That was pretty messed up what the Team Rashad fighter did. Start of the second round, he reached up to touch gloves but instead juked his opponent and took him down. Rampage was furious asking his fighter on the ground why he wanted to touch gloves. Rampage walked out on him towards the end and made it a point to tell his team, "no more touching gloves with anyone in the ring"
