Nevermind Leopoldo outweighed Gracie by at least 50 pounds in that fight... lol. And if you're dumb enough come into a fight with hardly any rules (back then) with a big pony-tail, you deserve to have your brain ripped out with the hair. And why complain about hair pulling anyway? After all, like you said, all those rules that were created favored the Gracies...
Rampage will frustrate Chuck all night, and itll end with a knock out in the 3rd round. I dont think Chuck can knock out Rampage. Ive seen Rampage take about 15 knees in the face, before giving up. I take Rampage, and he'll be more aggressive than Chuck will.
there was a thread on this before about all the things you're not allowed to do like strike someones back of the head, etc., which I thought everyone in the thread identified as being advantageous for grapplers. in regards to varietym, see my post above regarding DDP, etc.
he fought like a girl, and his specialty was going on the floor begging for someone to get on top. he's actually the reason why I stopped watching in the first place. every match looked like one of his, everyone wanted to be another Gracie, zzzzzz. EDIT: the dumbest thing I see is when a grappler is on the floor with his legs up in missionary position begging a striker to get on top and the striker just looks at him in disgust before walking away.
hey hotballa I don't know if you have netflix or have a blockbuster near you, but I suggest you rent UFC 60: Gracie vs. Hughes. If you really don't like Royce you will love this fight. This fight really shows how things have changed since the early days of the UFC. I also agree that it was a complete b**** move by Royce to pull Kimo's hair, but it was a no rules fight just like a street fight and if you were in a street fight and a guy had a ponytail you could pull to gain an advantage you would. Just like when Keith Hackney beat Joe Son by hitting him in the groin about 10 times as hard as he could. He won and it was not illegal back then. I think the UFC rules are very good and do not favor any form of fighting. I would like to see kicks, foot stomps and knees to the head allowed though like the were in PRIDE.
hmmm...I might have to check that out if Gracie does get his butt kicked. WHich Gracie btw? the original hair puler or one of his 50,000 relatives?
Sean Sherk who? This is a guy who was not offered a deal with PRIDE because he was too boring. I ran a googlefight between them a few weeks ago and Cintron won by a small margin. I jsut did it again and the MMA online geek community looks like it inverse googlebombed Cintron because his numbers were reduced by half. If you don't think this would sell a lot more PPV buys (even among the core UFC-MMA audience) than Sherk vs. pretty much any other 155 lb fighter around (w/the exception of maybe Gomi, but I think his appeal is limited to hardcore fans only), you are a true conneisseur of the division but need to step back. If MMA wins then it can finally prove its claims as a superior fighting discipline, that Dana White will simply not shut up about. The problem is not that Cintron is not the draw that Mayweather was, the problem is that Cintron is too dangerous for Sherk to fight. Mayweather in the UFC was simply never going to happen due to financial reasons - the UFC doesn't have the cash and can't promise it. Accordingly Dana White calling out FM is like me calling out FM - it's simply not going to happen so I can do it all I want and then pronounce myself the winner. As the UFC's poster boy has showed us :slap a good sprawl on to some sloppy boxing skills and you can rule the world. Imagine what a pro like Cintron would do. Cintron apparently was offered a wrestling scholarship to OSU, thoguh that is not confirmed, but blew out his knee. Not really, Boxing's hopes rely on there being a young generation of fighters who can do what ODLH and Floyd did a few weeks ago and generate the kind of numbers that MMA has never even come close to. But anyway you're right - it's hard to find top ranked boxers to fight in MMA, considering that the purses for main events are only a fraction of what they are in boxing. Which is why worldwide boxing will continue to attract more participants and a bigger talent pool at least in the short term.
Royce. Hell he even almost gets submitted by Hughes in this fight. It really shows how much the sport has evolved since it's early days. I will tell you this....it doesn't get out of the first round. EDIT: the dumbest thing I see is when a grappler is on the floor with his legs up in missionary position begging a striker to get on top and the striker just looks at him in disgust before walking away the UFC tries to have matchups that will be entertaining. They try to put different styles against each other such as a jiu-jitsu vs. puncher or wrestler vs. judo etc. So the guy that has trained on the ground most of his life is much more comfortable there and he can also try his submissions there so he obviously wants to keep the fight on the ground at all times. If you could choke or submit someone on the ground why would you want to stand up with someone who is a better striker than you?
I wont argue with that, it still looks extremely r****ded. If you can't force the guy to the ground, lying there like a drunk sorority girl isn't gonna work.
wow sam I could not disagree more with your last post on several points. First Cintron would not last through the first round with Sherk. Sherk would take him down (which Cintron could do nothing about) and pound him into a bloody pulp. How many elbows has Cintron taken to the face? He would be eating them for the entire first round. Sherk is a 10000x bigger name than Cintron. Get a respectable boxer in there and then we can talk about having a fight. I think anyone with any sense knows that MMA is the superior fighting discipline. You have to know how to box along with the ground, clinch, submission defense, do I need to go on further? Imagine what a pro like Cintron would do. He would get knocked the **** out. But anyway you're right - it's hard to find top ranked boxers to fight in MMA, considering that the purses for main events are only a fraction of what they are in boxing. Which is why worldwide boxing will continue to attract more participants and a bigger talent pool at least in the short term. you are correct that the biggest boxers make more for one fight. But a guy like Chuck who fights 3 times a year and gets paid 2-3 mil per fight still makes about 6-10 mil a year. What other boxers pull in that kind of money. There are only two that I know of.
As I said before - Cintron was a top notch amateur wrestler and is a world class athlete - do you honestly think he could not learn to sprawl given a few months to train? What basis do you have for this? How do you think Chuck Liddell learned to sprawl? By training for it. Cintron has trained hard every day of his professional life - but sprawling is an elusive talent he will never learn? Hardly. And don't tell me about elbows - you think Cintron doesn't know about getting hit in the face? For god sake the guy fought Antonio Margarito. Finally - don't you realize it goes both ways? Sherk has NEVER been in the ring with a guy whos hands are as fast or deadly as Cintron. Even better for Cintron, he will be wearing MMA gloves instead of 8 or 10 oz gloves, so it will be easier for him to punch through a guard. As far as i'm concerned, he is the one who is in for a rude awakening. Ummm, no he's not. He had 100 something thousand hits on google (now he has only half of SHerk's hits, but see above). And that is not even accounting for the fact that boxing doesn't have the same internet presence that MMA does;most boxing fans worldwide in places like Mexico, PR, the Phillipines do not use the internet the way that 14-35 year old american males (everybody in this threa) do. In spite of all this - Antonio Margarito (Mexico), probably the 2nd or 3rd best WW in the world has roughly twice as many google hits (300,000+) Remember, this is up against the MMA WW champion. If we wanted to be fare, compare FLoyd's google hits vs. sherk's LOL, a respectable boxer? Cintron is a top 10 guy at Welterweight and holds an alphabet title. That is of the thousands and thousands and thousands of guys worldwide who compete in his weight class. I would assume that at any given time there are probably somewhere in the 100,000+ range of guys actively fighting in or around his weight class either as pros or as high level amateurs. IN MMA? It's not even close to that. So it's kind of an insult to say that he's not "respectable" - just because you haven't heard of him. I imagine in Puerto Rico, where Cintron is from, he's fairly highly regarded. I'm not referring to the lame "style vs. style" matchup or superior fighting discipline, I'm talking about superior athletes. Boxing has a much larget talent pool and much better athletes, worldwide - MMA jsut simply isn't there yet. By renowned KO Specialist Sean Sherk? I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. But know this: there are no 155 lb MMA fighters who hit as hard as Cintron does. How do I know this? Because if they did- they'd be boxing. LOL, 2-3 M per fight? Sorry but you're about 10x off. His last fight vs. Tito Ortiz got him a fat 250k. http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3213 That doesn't even get him over the $1m makr for the year. There are hundreds of boxers who make more than that every year.
i agree with a lot of what your saying sam. but one thing the MMA guys are going to start making MORE and MORE. and i think the boxing purses are going to gradually start shrinking. i know quite a few people that have never been into boxing there entire lives, and are becoming rabid UFC fans.
I agree with this - like I have said I am a fan of both - in fact I became a more serious boxing fan after watching MMA, so that is why I don't like since I've been reading about the death of boxing from teenaged MMA fans for ages now. Most of these guys saying this were driking from juiceboxes when UFC 1 came out. I disagree, i think the two sports will feed off each other and both grow. Boxing is still enormously popular around the world, more so than MMA.
LOL, 2-3 M per fight? Sorry but you're about 10x off. His last fight vs. Tito Ortiz got him a fat 250k. He made between 2-3 mil the 250k was his base pay. They don't include their PPV draw bonus money. He makes a huge chunk of the PPV money. On the other subjects we will just agree to disagree.
If so then he makes in 2-3 fights per year what Zab Judah made for one fight in 2006 (before he got fined and the IRS took it, lol) Who is Zab Judah? exactly.
Does this rub anyone else the wrong way? This sounds gimmicky and getting towards WWE type crap. Could go without that.
