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Udoka questions

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DominantBig, Nov 10, 2024.

  1. MystikArkitect

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    Reminds of me of those clunky JVG teams.
     
  2. daywalker02

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    How far is really good from being great.

    If he cannot blame himself, and all he does is analyze other guys......he cannot get away from his own stubbornness.

    You need a great piece to get this team to at least perennial contender status.

    You guys decide if he has the IT factor.

     
  3. daywalker02

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    Imagine if he had a team full of Van Vleets and Dillon Brookses and not many athletes.

    Dude would be playing slow slow ball with no scoring that your eyes fall out.

     
  4. AlperenSengun

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    More passes will obviously correlate with more turnovers but this doesn’t mean that more passes is worse. There are many aspects to it. First, the question is not if more passes are better or not. If you have harden or Luka level player, then certainly you don’t have a lot of ball movement. Generally teams who adapt less passes are teams with guards that can attack and create well. So overall correlations like that are not that informative. Also turnovers is not the only criteria. To keep players involved in the game, correlates to better results imo.

    for rockets the current system is not working well so general analysis like that is not applicable imo.
     
  5. shakes05

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    Totally agree! We're getting open looks - our players need to make the shot and Reed Shepherd needs to play more aggressive. Otherwise, he's getting sent down to the G-League
     
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  6. Nook

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    There are severe limitations to what a coach can do with a team that cannot shoot from the perimeter, lacks creators/finishers and lacks a franchise player.

    They don’t want too much ball movement because it will cause turnovers - they are getting good perimeter shots and don’t make them and outside of a couple players - they cannot drive to the basket.

    Until they start shooting well enough to have teams respect them from the perimeter - they are not going to be a good offensive team.

    They are what they are until shooting improves.
     
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  7. Nook

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    Yes - and the offensive struggles will continue if they keep missing open perimeter shots. It has little to do with their system and everything to do with poor perimeter shooting causing the paint to be packed - and the Rockets only have a few players that can create insider anyway.

    Right now - it’s not a very talented offensive squad, especially not for 2024.
     
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  8. Nook

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    They are getting open perimeter shots - they are missing their open shots. Ball movement isn’t going to stop that - and won’t matter when teams pack the paint WANTING the Rockets to take perimeter shots.
     
  9. Nook

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    Give him players that can hit perimeter shots and then we can discuss if he is or isn’t a good enough coach… when your team shoots 20-30% from 3’s in 2024 - and is bottom 3 in open perimeter shooting % - you aren’t going to be a good offense.
     
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    Why are we shooting so badly from beyond the three-point line? A lot of these shots seem VERY makeable to me - particularly the ones Bari bricks. Alpi would probably have quite a few more assists if Bari had just made his super wide open shots.

    Tari is shooting 41.4 % from three, "sharpshooter" Bari is shooting 26.7 % from three. Fred, at a very high volume, is just at 28 %.

    Do they not practice this stuff lol.

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    Jalen shoots 30 % on wide open threes (he is better on the "open" ones where a defender is actually closer than 6 feet).

    Amen 28.6 %
    Freed 28 %
    Bari and Reed 14 %

    Like, wtf.
     
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    It's not surprising that less passing results in less turnover. It's just commonsense even if there's no stats to track it. So an ISO-heavy offense should be low turnover (unless the main guy responsible for ISO is incompetent).

    It will need a lot deeper analysis to know how much of a trade off, and whether is is worth it. Of course it is heavily dependent on personnel. You need smart players to execute motion offense.
     
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    Sorry, I think there are strengths to be utilized, Jabari High post midrange for instance, Amen at the dunker spot, Sengun at the highpost as a passer.

    Anyway, we do need to do better.

    DD
     
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    I thought I was reading my own post for a second.
     
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  14. AlperenSengun

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    Ball movement is going to force the defenses to run more, to make more decisions, to make more mistakes, potentially more lanes to drive to the basket and drive more fouls.

    I would also like to see a breakdown of the open shots we get. The hand-off/screen 3s we get are really not of good quality although they are listed as open shots.

    I agree with you that (if I understood correctly) upgrading certain spots is more essential than Ime, but I believe the coaching limitations on offense are glaringly obvious. The no secondary action thing is crazy, or the lack of corner 3s. It is true that a superstar type player will make things look different, but then you should try to go with sengun and Green and let/hope them grow into those roles rather than pushing it with fvv even when Sengun is having a very good game. Ime's teacher attitude and offensive limitations is a problem. He is more like a great fit for the first phase instead of Silas. We are invested in Green and Sengun and we need to let them be creative, try and fail, find theirselves.

    In addition, why the hell Reed is so afraid to shoot? Can't help but think it is udoka related.
     
  15. daywalker02

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    Bullock was his choice......you could change the angle and say.....find good shooters first, Ime.

    Shooters come to Houston and their shot becomes inconsistent or they don't shoot well at all.

    Ego was one of the only ones and that a few years ago. Mathews was serviceable but he shot better in Atlanta etc.

     
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    People are saying adapt but what kind of adaptations are even possible? MDA had a team full of shooters and prime James Harden who could beat literally anyone 1 on 1. It’s not fair to compare the team Udoka is working with which is a bunch of rookies who haven’t blossomed into stars yet.

    It’s not hard to understand teams are packing the paint against our offense. You can do as much offensive scheming as possible to get open shots but our shooters are literally just missing them. Jabari is out there shooting like me = bricking wide open 3s.
     
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  17. Entropy

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    Anyone who asks hardball questions is gonna get blackballed from the Rockets org. These dudes in the Houston media are nobodies with zero cache, if they want to keep their jobs they need to stay in line.
     
  18. Imanimal

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    He should be asked why nobody on this team can make a 3 on 1 fastbreak layup. They missed four of them yesterday. Also, Fred had Amen freaking wide open twice for alley-oops and pulled the ball out. Miss the fun days of Harden!
     

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