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UBI will have to be instituted to save the economy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Senator, Apr 22, 2020.

  1. Senator

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    How do the middle and upper middle class liberals on here feel about this?

    Threatened?

    Understanding?
     
  2. Corrosion

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    In general , I agree with you on this subject .... I just want to clarify one particular phrase ....I think this phrase is kinda overused and misused.

    Leveraging Debt .... Businesses nor people leverage debt , they leverage value on "something". They leverage the value of X into credit (debt).

    It would be precise to say "Leveraging Equity".
     
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    I'm in agreement on UBI - To actual PEOPLE ....

    It's much less costly than trying to bail out so many businesses , it's billions per month rather than trillions.
     
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    I just want to say , I think this is the only post from @Senator that ive ever liked .*

    UBI just makes sense y’all .

    now , at this point with places reopening I’m not sure how large the stimulus needs to be , but there should still be some imo .

    I’m very much in favor of a normal 1k a month during normal times , but these aren’t normal times and part of the reason Yangs proposed structure made sense was because there would also be a tax that paid for it , at least in part .

    the root of the problem with the economy right now is that there is very little resilience.

    so many live paycheck to paycheck , businesses run week to week and month to month .

    Why and how we got there is a discussion in and of itself , there is plenty of blame to go around.

    how we get out of it is also a very important question . We are in a bind right now on two fronts . How many businesses will truly bounce back ?

    the best way to help small business is instead of putting money into businesses and using banks and government cough “oversight” to allocate funds , just put money in people’s hands .

    the concern about inflation and printing money and borrowing , let me tell you we’ve already done a lot of it . People are reluctant to spend right now / can’t .

    I’m not gonna say inflation is a myth , but small amounts of inflation isn’t bad , medium amounts are ok too . Right now we are at 0. Deflation is actually a more dangerous threat and can turn a recession into a depression .

    we need to engender an environment where people that are able to live frugally can build savings .

    some inflation may result in the future but it can be a good thing . It can help some markets stabilize and find a baseline . Even in a case where inflation reaches core goods like groceries if the price of milk is 2 bucks and it goes up 25% which is pretty ****ing high , how many gallons a week do you have to buy for that meaningfully to cut into 1000 bucks a month ? And it’s 25 percent a year not a month . And it Probsbly stabilizes within a year . I don’t think the price of milk would go up that much anyways , it’s not like cows are dying .

    it’s just such a common sense solution and the arguments people make against it can be applied to a number of things the government is already doing . It could and I would bet will have major unintended positive consequences along with a few negative , don’t get me wrong ... it’s not a perfect idea. Completely paying for it requires some strong luck .

    monetary and macroeconomics is beyond me. Central bankers are their own special breed and truly , those are the peeps that control the reigns .

    But I’ll say , the full depth of the “economy” as a whole is too vast to be contained and considered in any one persons head .

    I think our current application and allocation of capital right now is misplaced and/ or not enough. The current dynamic of either tying money up in government process , or banks favored clientele , or going with a more “free market” approach and letting big business swallow up smaller companies disadvantages the many in favor of the few .

    this top down bullshit has got to stop . The best way to help businesses in the short and in the long run is to put buying power in the hands of their customers . Good business can differentiate itself . The prospects for a well run local restaurant are much better on the rebound and during the pseudo lockdown if it’s customers have extra cash to spend .

    This post is getting too long so I’ll stop but , Hopefully my track is clear.
     
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    So far the stock market hasn't reflected reality at all, wealthy investors and hedge funds have exploited it to make a killing. Amateurs, in FOMO mode, have ridden the waves as well. In the next 3 months , or q2, we will see the real impact of COVID and a lot of assisted businesses, public and private, going under as needs to happen for a healthy capitalist life cycle. This is when UBI are going to be vital for the rich landlords and business owners who need income to keep coming in. The poor aren't saving it, they're spending.


    With all the other welfare loopholes cut out, people aren't going to stop working because of $1k a month. It gives them a much needed base.
     
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