U.S. ties Iranian leader to bombs killing U.S. troops

First of all, I think the Iran President is evil. I also believe that if we leave them alone, I truly believe the way things are in that country, some young guy is going to pop a cap on his b**** ass...

This is absolutely, positively the WORST president and administration probably ever. Can this warmongers leave office fast enough?

My stepdad is an Eqyptian...born and raised...came here in 1973. He tells me stories of how people in his country DREAMED and talked about being in America, visiting in America, moving to America.

Now, not only does the Arab Countries think the USA is the cause of everything from A to Z, they think the American people support it because they allowed the Iraq War to happen!!

As a proud American, I get so hurt hearing him say things like that about how others see my country. I have never regretted anything more than to give my ****ing vote to this warmonger and his vice-warmonger and his warmongering administration.

I have a very bad feeling that before Bush leaves office, we are going to see another war. And my kids who are only 6 and 2 are going to pay for this freakin mess. Thats why it bothers me so much. We are going to be hated and if that doesn't matter to you, then you really don't believe in the US being a secure nation.

 

They have the best knowledge in the area. They aren't perfect, but they do have the best intel regarding that subject matter.

 

I wonder if any of the weapons used against our troops in Iraq were sold to Iran during the Iran-Contra arms for hostages fiasco engineered by the Reagan Administration?

 

Hey!

No wonder the US was able to get those serial numbers so fast!

 

Let's say the 170 number is fairly accurate. We've lost over 3,000 troops so far (over 3,100 now i believe). All of them killed using weapons, munitions, explosives from somewhere.

Any chance that some of these parts/supplies were of Russian make? Israeli? German? Chinese?

I'm just asking the question -- I have no idea. But I bet there's a hodgepodge of everything the black market can provide, including a lot of American made munitions.

I don't doubt there are Iranian made weapons in Iraq, I'm just not sure they have the meaning that some would have us accept.

That aside, there is an obvious logic to Tehran wanting Iraq to be a US-hurtin' mess right now.

 

BTW

General Peter Pace declined to stand behind the assertions of that background Iranian IEDs briefing in Iraq...

Top American General Disputes US Military Claim on Iran

By Al Pessin
Canberra, Australia

The top American military officer, General Peter Pace, declined Monday to endorse the conclusions of U.S. military officers in Baghdad, who told reporters on Sunday that the Iranian government is providing high-powered roadside bombs to insurgents in Iraq. General Pace made his comments during a visit to Australia, and VOA's Al Pessin reports from Canberra.

General Pace said he was not aware of the Baghdad briefing, and that he could not, from his own knowledge, repeat the assertion made there that the elite Quds brigade of Iran's Republican Guard force is providing bomb-making kits to Iraqi Shiite insurgents.

"We know that the explosively formed projectiles are manufactured in Iran. What I would not say is that the Iranian government, per se [specifically], knows about this," he said. "It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit."

http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-02-12-voa20.cfm

 

Why/how would General Pace know if the government of Iran was complicit? He isn't really disputing it, any more that I can dispute claims you would make about what you ate for breakfast this morning. He is just saying that any involvement of the government of Iran is something he is not aware of, not that it isn't happening, nor that there is no one in the American intelligence community that could know that. Misleading title by Mr. Pessin.

 

Back on the subject of this briefing, the US officials showed this evidence to reporters, but did not allow reporters to bring in cameras, and only released their own photos of a limited number of the slides that were shown. There was no actual physical evidence presented.

Before going further I believe that most likely some factions of Iranians probably are supplying the insurgency with weapons.

But to me, this is so disappointing that I believe now that the evidence has been fabricated by the US until I see definitive evidence otherwise. Reporters are not munitions experts. The administration can show these slides to a group of reporters in a closed room and can easily dazzle them. What is needed is complete and total access to both the reporters and the various experts out there who know the details of ordinance construction.

Part of what I do for a living is sell military 'junk' for lack of a better word. Quite a bit of the munitions evidence they seem to be presenting is surprisingly similar to the stuff that I deal with. People buy and sell, for instance, deactivated land mines, like German tellermines and glasmines as well as pistols and rifles with period markings. All the time I see fabrication of military items which will fool 99% of people, usually including me.

The only way that the difference between truth and fiction is discernable is for people to share, talk, collaborate and draw from many, many different experiences. The only reason that I can possibly imagine limiting the flow of this information is to prevent people with knowledge from picking apart their case.

I am well and truly disappointed. Especially after how poorly the 'evidence' for the war in Iraq was handled, I am not willing to accept anything but full disclosure. At this point I have very little doubt that this evidence is fabricated. There is no other legitimate reason to sequester the details of this evidence.

The problem is that they are not releasing the evidence so it can be disputed.

 

Because he's the ranking US military officer in the theater?

 

I think US military have evidence that Iranian government supplied money and arms to Shiite insurgents. They also have evidence that private individuals (with tacit approval from the government) in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc donated money and arms to the Sunni insurgents.

Since the Sunni insurgents caused the most deaths of Americans, if we try to be fair, we should actually expose the Sunni side more. But then the neo-cons in our government has a hatred for Iran, so it is now targeted.

I expect a war with Iran next year in the Spring. Just in time to stir up the Republican support in the next election and might also give Bush a chance to declare emergency power. I hope I am wrong....

 

According to the briefing, we had these "evidence" in 2005 already. So it is under Pace's watch.

 

Oh that's right! He was fired because Jr couldn't listen to him anymore.

 

Nice. We can add Austria to our growing list of "against us" countries now!

 

basso,

Who do you think supplied weapons to enemies of which state first? The U.S. has been supplying more than just weapons to rebel groups responsible for killing Iranians, before this happened.

So if that is an act of war, who do you think the real aggressor is?

It isn't as if the U.S. was just minding its business in Iraq and then Iran started supplying insurgents.

 

basso forgets that the US is the largest weapons supplier to the world.

[edit] And I've never stated that weapons from Iran aren't making their way into insurgent’s hands in Iraq. I would just like to see definable proof that they are coming from the government.

 

I laugh every time I see this thread title. If they want to get rid of him, tieing him to a bunch of bombs would be a good way to do it.