I had no idea they moved Israel to within the borders of Germany. So why are the Palestinians so upset?
you lost me Was not Isreal created after WWII as a place for the Jewish folx after the Holocaust? I don't think Liberia was created for African Americans to be relocated too but then again . . I could be mistaken . . dunno much about Liberian History Rocket RIver
Since Bush and Paris are brought up here. Let me ask this, should Michael Jordan's kids be accepted for schools or jobs over some poor white or Asian Americans who were better qualified? This is just an example as I have no idea about the situation of Jordan's kids.
You seemed to not like my idea of teaching kids to work had and earn what they want. Perhaps I assumed incorrectly. I completely agree. Our school systems suck period and especially suck in lower income areas. I would pay higher taxes to see this happen. I ABSOLUTELY AND EMPHATICALLY AGREE WITH BOTH OF THESE POINTS! You would love the Swedish school system. The only reason I know about it is because of my girlfriend. If you have a chance, read up on how they do things. It is amazing. No grades until junior high and everyone has college paid for, even abroad. It is about learning, not testing. I think the last time I looked, Sweden had a top 5 internationally ranked school system. I agree with this as well. Our welfare system just doesn't work. Period. I think the only way this works, and I know that this will never happen, is that every case is looked at individually. There are not set standards, just common sense. Unfortunately, common sense just doesn't seem to work and there would be too much room for abuse. I really don't know what the fix is but the status quo is not working and not trying to do something different is just as negligent. I am also very gung ho for national healthcare coverage. No one in our country deserves to go without healthcare. No one. I prefer this method MUCH more than AA. I have no problem with a more socialistic society. It has been proven to work and in some cases MUCH better than our system. It's amazing that we could agree so much on so many of these topics yet feel like we are complete opposite sides of the spectrum. Personally, I think it is the, "we are owed something" attitude that a lot of people take that pisses me off. It isn't that I don't feel that other deserve help, I just feel that people should work hard to get what they want. EVERYONE needs help at some point in their lives and our government and society should provide that for them. There is a huge difference between getting help when it is warranted and having everything provided for you and/or getting breaks at the expense of others.
I understand that. But I took your previous post (when you said that most whites benefit from being white) to mean that you think almost all whites have benefited from being white. I simply pointed out that there are many situations where whites are not competing against minorities and so this is not the case. If you intended for your statement to only refer to the whites who are in direct competition with minorities, then I agree with you.
You had such a great post before and then you have to drop this? What does this have to do with the Jewish situation in Germany? If you are not saying that you want a segregated black country (Liberia has already been mentioned) then what exactly are you implying?
The point being that their was an overall Global concerted effort to ensure they got a fair shake . . . even in Germany Sociologically speaking have a 'home country' has massive benefits the stronger you 'home country' the better This country will treat you the reprecussions of Germany mistreating the Jewish people are more far reaching than Americans mistreating Africans Americans in America [I am googling Liberia as I speak] Rocket River
No, the point was, do Jews that were persecuted almost to extinction get more rights/whatever in Germany (the country that did the persecuting)?
yes LIberia was created for former slaves actually. I think some rich abolotionists financed the whole thing. This was sometime in the early 19th century
well you could counter that argument by saying that every company and country and bank that had something to do with the holocaust has been sued by Jews and had their property returned to them. What price do you put on the dignity and pride that were taken away from Africans brought over here as slaves?
it was strictly meant to refer to situations where there is direct competitoin between a white person and a black person.
It isn't an argument. It is a question. I'm not trying to make a point with it, I'm wanting to know what the situation is.
Teachers can actually earn quite a bit of money, upwards of 70 grand gross and that is with shorter workdays and more vacation than a regular job. Testing is used as a measure of how the schools are performing. Given that, and since things like teachers keeping their jobs are related to how the students do on the test, teaching to the test is pretty much a given. You can get rid of testing, but then everyone cries about there not being any accountability, quite the catch 22. That is doable, but you would have to make college much tougher to get into. Easy solution to this one. Scrap the welfare system. Once the checks stop coming, it will be no longer be economical stupid to get a job. Does this apply to everyone, or just white people? Cause I have to tell you, I have seen a lot more businesses that are all (black, asian, latino, whatever) than I have all white.
Most teachers don't start at 70 grand, or really end there, though it is possible after many years of service. School hours are shorter, but most teachers I know and work with work much longer days than 8 hours. A 60 hour work week is not unusual in schools with a varied population. In addition if they want to earn 70 grand, they are working during the more vacation days that you mentioned. Add to that teachers need about the same amount of post graduate education as lawyers, they spend their own money on supplies, and the job they supply is immensely important.
The average teacher salary in Texas is $38,857. - http://www.sbec.state.tx.us/SBECOnline/certinfo/becometeacher.asp?width=1280&height=1024 These are the people that are preparing our children for their future. If you think that teachers work less hours than regular people then you are delusional. They easily work more than 40 hours a week. Testing has worked wonderfully so far. How about trying something else? Why should college be more difficult to get into? How about if you flunk your classes or don't show up, no more college for you? Our welfare system is broken but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. It shouldn't be a this or nothing game. There are people that truly need help and those people should definitely get the help they deserve. On the other hand, the people that abuse the system should not get it.
Congrats to your grandparents. I would consider them (and other immigrants who left their homes looking for better) extra-motivated, btcause they went the extra mile to improve their lives. There are some extra-motivated folks that come here from other countries, and I am not suprised that they succeed. There are some extra-motivated folks that were born here in bad situations, and I am not suprised that they succeed either. But just like there are plenty of folks who stayed in Mexico and were content with the norm, there are plenty of folks born and raised here who are content with the norm. I am happy that your grandparents wanted better, but even you must admit that it's normal behavior to be in the norm...so why compare them to the norm here and act as if things are the same....
Because people are complaining about being held back and not being able to succeed because of society. You're making my point for me. If you're motivated enough to succeed, you can succeed. If not you have no right to complain about it and blame others. I don't think it can get any clearer than that. This is EXACTLY what we've all been trying to say. It's not society that determines how well you do but your motivation.
