Why can't we, the minorities, just go to the other generic state school? College admissions in the mid '90s, when I applied, were so much easier. Every Texas state school application had a nice, tidy little grid: GPA and Class rank on the column-headings, Automatic Admission, Conditional Admission and No-Admission on the rows. And TSU, for as long as I've known, has always had open or very liberal admissions policies. It's also worth noting that whites, for all their perceived whining (according to you), make up 70% or so of the population. We will not be able to belittle and berate them into accepting and accomodating us in college, at work, politically or socially. We have to demonstrate common interests and common ethics, mocking and ridicule won't work: especially against the young, who have their whole lives, professionally and socially, to get even.
What about Asian kids crying about affirmative action? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070121/ap_on_re_us/princeton_racism_charges http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/education/23princeton.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
No, but that's the national average, and these issues might end up being decided, in some part, at the national level. Although that might not be necessary because, unlike Civil Rights laws in the '60s, anti-affirmative action initiatives are actually popular enough to win at the state level.
assimilate? immitate? get along to get along I am who I am . .. while it does make my life harder I will accept it .. . I will not check who I am at the door and forget my heritage and my ethnicity for the sake of getting along I remember a Scene in GUESS WHO IS COMING TO DINNER Sidney Portier and his father were having a discussion Sidney told his dad: You want to recognized as a black man . .i simply want to be recognized as a man I thought he was wrong If you cannot accept be being black . . then you are not truly accepting ME Rocket River
I think the thing that bothers me about affirmative action is that you have rich black kids getting in with subpar grades and poor white kids (and yes there are poor white people, over half the peopel on welfare are white) who get locked out. I'm in favor of affirmative action but only if it's done based on family income and not on race. We've gotten tot he point where we don't have to assume all blacks are poor.
Because the world isn't so black and white (no pun intended). If you've ever been to or worked at an urban public school, they are **** **** ****. They're an insult to any student who wishes to learn anything. At one high school, the highest level of math was the pre-algebra I took in 7th grade. They're still taking spelling classes in 11th grade and there's an administration that couldn't give a damn. Oh and not to mention there have been multiple murders on campus during a single year. Now how in the world do any students from that school compete with kids who are privileged enough to go to a suburban public or private school. On face, their applications will look like garbage. They haven't taken any math or english. There are no foreign languages outside of a rudimentary spanish 1 class. The schools overall composite score is one of the worst in the state. The valedictorian from that school would struggle to make into a state school by virtue of the fact that he hasn't taken any challenging classes. (not by choice but because there aren't any) There are no extra-curricular activities outside of a few sports either. All of us have been privileged enough to go to great schools, and an acknowledgement of the disparity that exists in schooling today reveals that it's not fair for minorities to just "settle for less." Fix the damn school system or face the fact that affirmative action (which I believe should be done across income rather than race) will exist.
So they should instead penalize some Asian kid like my cousin who spoke almost no English when they came here, with parents earning poverty level income but studied hard and is now accpeted into CAL(which does not admit based on race). Everyone has their problems. I can agree with giving preference to low-income groups, the goal is to reduce poverty level in this country, not just poverty level of certain groups. Do you see Asians complain there should be a certain percentage of Asian-American kids getting college athletic scholarships?
Except for black individuals specifically, many of their problems were created by decisions from the US government. The argument for AA (which I don't support in general) is that the government owes your Asian cousin an equal opportunity, but they owe the black community something more, because they were partially responsible for the conditions that now exist for them and the resulting challenges they face.
The only thing is Asians do not get an equal opportunity. In many places, the admission policy is by percentage based on race, so White x%, black y%, Latino z% and Asians r%. So if an Asian is doing better than whites they still won't get accepted, is that fair or equal?
We need to have a plan for ending Affirmative Action. I would argue that it's still necessary, but we should not have an open-ended commitment to it. Probably the best answer is to allow schools, businesses, etc. the opportunity to opt out of affirmative action if their employment or enrollment "quotas" are met for a certain period of time.
While I agree with you that our school system needs to be revamped (I believe this much more than you know), I think the rest of your post is pretty much bull****. Why should a kid that is not as qualified get into a college? What about the people, like myself, that do everything they can to give their kids the advantage? I spend more money to live where the schools are the best. I work as hard as I can to be able to provide the most that I can for my kids so why should my kids be penalized because some other kid of another race didn't have that opportunity. It isn't my kids fault nor is it mine. Guess what, there are always going to be poor people. There are always going to be some kids that don't have the same opportunity as others. If they want it, they are just going to have to work that much harder. People do it all the time. There are many people that come from absolutely nothing and become successful. These people didn't b**** about their situation, they did something about it. I know I didn't come from money, I've busted my ass to get to where I am today and I'm doing all I can to make sure that my kids have every advantage over the next kid. If I could do more, I promise you that I would. I would absolutely stack the deck in their favor everytime and I can't imagine a parent that wouldn't want the exact same for their children.
That is the issue of America for CENTURIES this was the case in ALL THINGs esp relating to Minorities Jobs/Education/social/neighborhoods and back in the day it was ENFORCED BY LAW Af Act is suppose to try and close that gap but America is America Rocket RIver
My friend was rejected from all of these schools without even being offered an interview, so there goes the theory that maybe she did better in the interview.
I am not sure if it is hard quota. But before CaL and UCLA implemented the current system, they rejected Asian-American applicatants that were better qualified than whites, that is why the significant decrease in the student percentage of white students accepted by these two schools after the current admission processed was implemented in the 90's.
Part of the problem has to do with the mission of the universities. Some Universities have as their mission to provide a diverse student population and environment. So that would mean that to fulfill their mission they look not only at grades, but at what would provide that diversity. Grades and test scores are only part of what they look at. They also look at extra curricular activities, because they thing that adds a valuable part of the educational experience. So many universities believe that having different cultures can also add to that experience, and thus they can use race to help determine admissions.
You said that your friend graduated in 3 years. Could his age be a factor in not getting accepted into the program?
He's 21, whereas the average graduate would be 22, so I don't think the age difference is significant.
