I agree that we don't need perfect role players. But to indicate just how bad our role players are: No other team has only two players averaging double digits. Our role players are bad at a historic level. Okay, that's a bit of a hyperbole.
don't get me wrong I don't think these role players are a gift from God that will win us titles, but she-mac is now a proven quitter/loser....I don't care what kind of role players you brought in here along with him.....she would still find some way to choke in the post-season..............this is a question to everyone blaming the role players........over the years do you think that our role players are AT LEAST enough to get past the 1st round...............me thinks yes.
I think it is a combination of the two. It is not all on TMac as maddening it is to watch him as a fan. It is also not all on the role players despite how sucky they are.
Holliger's preseason predictions weren't based on the same analytical models. How could they be since he couldn't know Scola's PER? Furthermore, he didn't and we didn't know that all our players would perform lower than their career averages? Now that he has those numbers, his projectios are based on this season's PERs and stats. Based on how we've payed, we're going to win 41 games. That's all Holinger's projections say.
alonzo mourning, james posey, antoine walker, udonis haslem, jason williams, jason kapono and gary payton, ???? thats a very good supporting cast... defense, rebounding, and 3pt shooting in there..... please dont try to say our scrubs are anywhere near that... we thought we had enough to get out of the first round.... until only 4 ****ing players scored in a game.... FOUR. that means through 48 minutes of ball game one starter and no one off the bench scored one damn basket...that is PATHETIC. our offense was horrible and we had no answer for boozer so we lost. if you want to be successful in the western conference you need more than just two guys who can score.... every top team in the west has more than two guys, and in most cases 4 or 5 who are threats to get 20+ on any given night.
I didn't say our "scrubs" are anywhere near that...but that supporting cast wasn't all that great....as a matter of fact there were many times in the finals where Wade had to take over, because of the lack of supporting cast.......I believe it was game 3 when no one outside of Wade could hit a shot for a good stretch of regulation and overtime....the point I'm making is that the role players that tmac has been surrounded by ever since getting here HAVE been good enough to get out the 1st round of the playoffs despite what some of you think....She-mac is the biggest problem.
Granted Tmac is a problem, there is a huge difference between a decent supporting cast and a horrible supporting cast. I don't see DWade can lead our "supporting" cast to anywhere, maybe a couple of more wins here and there, but in a long run the team still won't go anywhere.
we would get out of the 1st round and be contenders if we had d wade.....a superstar who plays like a superstar makes a difference in so many ways (mentally and on the court)
agree to disagree then... against the mavs, dirk didnt play well, but players like jason terry and jerry stackhouse stepped up and made huge baskets to kill us. when are WE going to get someone to step up like that? people to do everything and its just not realistic, and its also why you need more than two guys. like ive said, this is the western conference...if you arent a top 3 seed you have to beat a title contender just to get out of the first round. what do all the title contenders have ? multiple guys who can score the ball.... two guys and inconsistent shooters arent going to get it done. plus the fact that our team has lacked athletes...speed kills i just dont understand why t-mac is getting all the blame.... he gives 28 and 16 in game 7 and people still say he didnt do enough.... how about someone else actually stepping up ?
I don't give him all the blame.....just most of it.......a real superstar would've gotten this team out of the 1st round by now......I can't take anymore of the quitting, softness, blaming others, making bold predictions and statements and then backing off of them, etc. from this guy.........the negativity that he's bringing to this team now is killing us more than his 25 points a night is helping us..........
no team with rafer and chuck hayes as starters is contending for a title, sorry.... you claim d-wade is so great but his team is last in the east. they are playing just as poorly now as when he was injured, and you think he makes this team a contender? get real...
have you seen what Wade is playing with this year?....Wade would kill to have the help She-Mac has (a LEGIT 2nd option and a decent supporting cast)....and do you take in to account that he's just getting back from an injury...that means those true scrubs were forced to "win" games without him.......D. Wade along with Bron and Kobe have the "it" that She-Mac is definitely missing and will never gain... although I'm critical of rafer and would rather see Scola start, I think we could do much worst............
what series has he played in where his team was SUPPOSED to win ? orlando ? they were the 8th seed against detroit. they lost to the ECF bucks team with cassell, allen, and glenn robinson and to the hornets where he averaged 31, 6, and 5 but had a terrible roster. old man darrel armstrong was the 2nd best guy on the team....in surprised the team even made the playoffs to be honest. lost mavs, and jazz.... utah is the only one where at the beginning i really thought the rockets would win.
You know, I keep hearing this. Why don't we actually take a closer look at those last several minutes, possession by possession. Here's how our offensive possessions went: Code: Time Score Score' Play [McGrady reenters game] 6:54-6:39 83-84 83-86 [COLOR=Red]McGrady hits 2 free throws[/COLOR] 6:18-5:52 83-86 83-88 [COLOR=Red]McGrady hits FG (misses free throw)[/COLOR] 5:45-5:24 85-88 85-88 [COLOR=Blue]Juwan misses jumper[/COLOR] 4:58-4:28 88-88 88-88 [COLOR=DarkRed]McGrady misses 3-pointer[/COLOR], Juwan rebounds, [COLOR=DarkRed]McGrady misses 17-footer[/COLOR] 4:15-4:03 91-88 91-91 Yao makes jumper and hits free throw 3:50-3:38 91-91 91-91 [COLOR=Blue]Yao misses 12-foot shot[/COLOR] 3:23-3:00 94-91 94-93 Yao dunk ([COLOR=Red]McGrady assists[/COLOR]) 2:38-2:14 96-93 96-93 [COLOR=Blue]Yao turnover[/COLOR] 1:55-1:46 96-93 96-95 Chuck layup ([COLOR=REd]McGrady assists[/COLOR]) 1:15-0:57 99-95 99-97 Yao hits two free throws 0:19-0:09 101-97 101-99 [COLOR=Red]McGrady layup[/COLOR] 0:01-0:00 103-99 103-99 [COLOR=Blue]Yao misses[/COLOR] In those last 6:54, the Rockets had 12 offensive possessions. You claim that McGrady disappeared in that span, and that's why we lost. I highlighted possessions in which he was responsible for a score, and possessions where we didn't score and McGrady wasn't involved. First, McGrady scored twice to put us up five. Then, in the following two possessions, Juwan missed a jumper (don't recall who he got the pass from ... quite possibly McGrady), and T-Mac missed a couple jumpers. Over the next 4 possessions -- we went through Yao. First he scored on a three point play. So, naturally, we get it to him again, but he misses the second time. Next time, McGrady assists a Yao dunk. Fourth, Yao turns it over. Through all of this, Utah has forged ahead by 3. Following possession, Chuck scores on yet another McGrady assist (13th of the game). And then the possession after that, Yao converts on two free throws. So, at this point, it's a 2 point game with just under a minute left. You want to blame McGrady for any of that? Was it wrong for us to go to Yao in 5 of the previous 6 possessions, when it resulted in 7 points? I don't think so. In total, from 6:54-0:57, we scored 13 points in 10 possessions. That's actually pretty good (for reference, the very best offensive teams will average about 11.5 points every 10 possessions over the course of a season). So, how did we lose our lead? Simple -- poor defensive rebounding, and poor defense against the 3-pointer. In that same span, Utah scored 16 points on 9 possessions! You want to attribute that to McGrady not taking more shots? Alright, back to the game. We're down 2 with less than a minute left. We can still win this. But what happens? Same thing that happened over the previous 5 minutes. Very poor defensive rebounding. We allowed Utah to eat up 40 seconds of game clock and then hit two free throws. So only 19 seconds left, and down 4. McGrady scores on a quick 2. OK, still manageable -- down 2 with 9 seconds left. Now ... here comes the most under-reported blunder of the game. It wasn't T-Mac "disappearing". Inexplicably, McGrady didn't foul immediately on the inbounds. Utah was allowed to dribble out virtually the entire clock. They hit two free throws with 1 second left. Game over. I'll defend how T-Mac played most of that game. The one thing I'll never defend, though, is those last 9 seconds. That was just inexcusable, from both a coaching and player standpoint. I never heard a decent explanation for it. In conclusion, the notion that we lost because McGrady didn't show up in the last 5 minutes is a myth. We went to Yao, with McGrady playing the facilitator role, because we were having success with it. We scored enough, on the possessions available to us, to win that game. Defensive lapses, including giving up way too many offensive rebounds, is what determined the outcome of that game in the final minutes. Sure, you can blame McGrady for some of that. Particularly that last defensive possession when he didn't foul immediately. You could put just as much (if not more) blame on Yao and the rest for the poor defensive rebounding which led to a number of wide open three pointers.
I thought we were good enough to beat both the jazz and the mavs.....the fact that tmac gets to game 7's (while taking 2-0, and 3-1 leads) with all of these teams shows me that his teams have been good enough to "really" compete and beat the opponents they were matched up against.....this why he boldly stated "it's on me" last year.....the common denominator in all the equations is tmac.....the guy will never win anything in this league if he is forced to be the best player and closer for a team......he just doesn't have it in him.
a couple of assists and a lousy meaningless layup at the end is not "showing up" for a guy who has never been out of the 1st round and said "it's on me"....the guy is a loser.
