1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Tyreke Evans being shopped by Sac.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LCAhmed, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390

    Sorry, it's the right comparison. Someone was trying to make the point that NBA ROYs never bust. My point is yes, sometimes they do. If Tyreke Evans doesn't get serious about developing his game, he'll be playing overseas in a couple years. His ROY was a product of the Sacramento Kings promoting him in the media similar to the way a college team promotes Heisman Trophy candidates. His ROY was a joke to begin with. He WAS NOT the best player in his rookie class. His statistics were and still are hollow. High usage rate, very, very low efficiency.
     
  2. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    46,546
    Likes Received:
    11,842
    I have serious doubts about McHale in general and don't give him a dime of credit for Dragic's success. Dragic proved himself to be talented before coming to Houston.

    Either way, unless the Rockets give up nothing more than pocket change, do not want a player like Reke. As someone else said, the 5th pick in the draft is the bacon around the pill (Reke). Maybe there is a sensible deal to be done. The Kings know they won't get spit for Reke unless they combine him with the draft pick.
     
  3. ObamaFan

    ObamaFan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2012
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    24

    Wow Tyreke Evans isnt a BUM, he has talent, and is fairly young

    I have my doubts of how he would fit here in Houston, but his talent is unquestioned. He is a ball-stopper because he is willing to pass the ball to the open shooter, or man( and stats back that up). But i just see him a huge tweener, and 1 that should NOT be playing PG

    I would give up Lowry, Morris, Budinger, and maybe the 14th for Reke and the 5th
     
  4. ObamaFan

    ObamaFan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2012
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    24

    lol i should have said "ISNT" a ball-stopper
     
  5. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390
    He is a bum.
     
  6. meh

    meh Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2002
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    3,382
    So let me see if I understand how you think free agency and agents work.

    If Morey offers Player A $5mil, and another team offers Player A $4mil, because of his cheap ass reputation the agent would tell Player A to sign elsewhere for less money.

    OTOH, if "Hypothetical incredibly generous Rockets GM" offers Player B $4mil, and another team offers Player B $5mil, because of reputation the agent would tell player B to take less money from the Rockets because of our GM's awesome overspending reputation.
     
  7. meh

    meh Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2002
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    3,382
    Besides his ability to drive to the basket, which skill does Evans possess that's above average for a guard? I see more all-around basketball skills oozing out of TWill than Evans, but he's much inferior to Evans in terms of shot creation and getting to the basket.

    I actually prefer if Evans' problems to be motivational issues. If so, I'd love it if the Rockets trade for him. I see him as someone who's incapable of improving much, rather than someone who doesn't want to improve.
     
  8. Raven

    Raven Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,984
    Likes Received:
    1,025
    Who cares about journeyman free agents. I'm talking about the stars who get max offers from multiple teams. If the offers are the same, why would they want to sign with Houston when we have a reputation for trying to nickel and dime our "assets".

    :rolleyes:
     
  9. leebigez

    leebigez Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2001
    Messages:
    15,786
    Likes Received:
    767

    I contested u and your 3pt theory. 3 pt % doesn't indicate you can shoot or not. That's my point. You can be a great shooter and a terrible 3 pt shooter. I didn't chart hit shots,but you have to add it all up. If he can get to the rim and shoot that 30% on jumpshots, I can work with that. Most is shot recognition and repititions. If he's shooting 45% from the floor despite being a 30% jumpshooter, thts a easy fix. Pretty much if he gets to 40%, he's gonna shoot over 50% from the field. Tell me derrick rose jumpshooting % the yr prior to his mvp yr. If you can get to the rim and finish, you don't have to be anything more than a avg jumpshooter. Why? You're getting layups,floaters,baby hooks,dunks, or fouls.
     
  10. roslolian

    roslolian Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    29,913
    Likes Received:
    20,078
    30% is not an average jumpshooter that's a horrible jumpshooter. You're talking about a 10% increase in mid-range accuracy, how often does that happen in the NBA when you don't have 3 pt range? What easy fix are you talking about, if it was that easy then everybody could increase their mid-range accuracy. As you said it takes a lot of repitition and practice, and looking at how Evan's game hasn't improved at all the past couple of years I don't know why you think he'll suddenly wake up one morning, decide he wants to be the best NBA player in history and start working on his game like mad.

    As for getting those layups, floaters, babyhooks and dunks it'll be hard to penetrate in the lane and do anything if the opponent can zone up and prevent you from getting close to the rim. Right now he's playing on a garbage team so opponents don't take him too seriously and let him dominate the ball and have his way because every time he ball hogs his team loses. However when he goes to a winning team Miami and OKC will clamp down on the paint so hard he'll be rendered useless.
     
  11. meh

    meh Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2002
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    3,382
    Why would star players compare themselves with journeymen? What kind of bizarro world do you live in where your Dwight Howard, Deron Williams of the world care whether or not we pay Aaron Brooks or Courtney Lee?

    If anything, nickel and diming mediocrity is what allows you to save up enough to offer the max. I want to be the team with max capspace instead of splitting that money on overpaying those assets you speak of.
     
  12. meh

    meh Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2002
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    3,382
    Basically what rosalian above said.

    If you can "easily" get 30% jumpshooters to get shoot 40%, then you should be able to get a very good job for any NBA team. Because no NBA team can "easily" make players develop jumpshots.
     
  13. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    8,079
    Likes Received:
    7,057
    Well that's part of the risk of acquiring the guy. If he can work on his mid-range game and learn when to take better shots the guy could be very good. He's already a beast going to the basket. He's only 22. You're telling me the guy has peaked at 22? I don't buy it. BTW, there has been a ton of guys have come into the NBA as bad shooters and have gotten better through hard work. The risk is assessing if Tyreke wants to put that work in, because like it or not the kid has talent.
     
  14. Mav-Hater

    Mav-Hater Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    185
    Thank God you are not our GM!!!!!!!
     
  15. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,781
    Likes Received:
    41,203
    Then they can peddle Evans to someone else, as far as I'm concerned.
     
  16. meh

    meh Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2002
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    3,382
    Oh, I like a reclamation project as much as anyone. I just prefer them to come at a very, very cheap price. For example, Lowry's price was Rafer. Dragic, Jordan Hill, Thabeet, Flynn were all throw-ins or semi-throwins in trades where we really wanted the picks.

    But for likely a 1st rounder(probably our 14th pick), I prefer a more clean project, like one we can get in the draft.
     
  17. meh

    meh Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2002
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    3,382
    Do you believe Kyle Lowry is one of these players?
     
  18. OlajuwonFan81

    OlajuwonFan81 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    2,671
    Likes Received:
    186
    Living here in sacramento and watching many of his games I warn everyone against Evans. He is an awful shooter, who has very low basketball IQ. The only time he truly is effective is when he has the ball on a fast break....then he can by dynamic. In a half court offense he is awful. For those of you who think evans is a better player than a healthy lowry, or dragic, you guys are on some serious drugs.
     
  19. SK34

    SK34 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2012
    Messages:
    4,042
    Likes Received:
    191
    On Tyreke being a ball hog. HE can improve. He needs the right coaching and the right environment. Look at Mcgee, the right coaching got him playing really good in the Playoffs. Its not their fault for being in a crappy team. Tyreke can pass, as he did show is Rookie season.
     
  20. Raven

    Raven Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,984
    Likes Received:
    1,025
    Don't be an ass or I will simply ignore you.

    Let's take a guy who the Rockets have targeted. Morey wants him, but other teams do too. Now this guy is thinking one contract ahead. He's getting essentially the same offer from several teams, but one of those teams (us) has a reputation for playing hardball on contract extensions. Why choose us if he thinks Morey is going to nickel and dime him four years down the road.

    Morey is smart not to overpay, but he's not very smooth in how he goes about it.
     

Share This Page