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Ty Lawson Effect

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mockster, Nov 7, 2015.

  1. J.R.

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    Like Jeremy Lin & Pat Beverley before him, Ty, go stand in the corner and wait for your turn! :grin:

     
  2. FLASH21

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    I think he'll play much better if he stays out of the local strip club (Onyx) the day before a game. Which is what he did right before we played Brooklyn.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    The worst part about is even when Harden sits on the bench Lawson goes and does the same thing. Deferring to the likes of Jones of all players.
     
  4. hooroo

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    Around a third of Lawson's shots so far have been mid-range jumpers where he's only connecting at a 13% clip. Settling for the jumper which he is poor at has been a problem with Lawson's game for years now. He's a potential PG upgrade for this team but not one of the top PGs in this league.
     
  5. HayesIsBack

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    I don't think people understand how difficult it is to have the ball in your hands for your whole career, and suddenly have to play off the ball.

    It's like Dwight going for post-ups all game long, when his strength is being the roll man in a PnR.

    Beverley's strength is actually sitting and waiting for the corner 3.

    And McHale's gotta do more than to say we've got to get Lawson going. Let Harden sit a few extra minutes and stagger their minutes better. Run some plays for Lawson. And when I say run plays, I don't mean the Lawson/Harden PnR. Run a couple of plays Lawson used to run as PG on the Nuggets. It's not that hard to learn a few new plays. Just get Lawson's comfort level up.
     
  6. J.R.

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    CF says he's a top 10 point guard!

    A point guard was all that was missing for this team, that's what was said, right?

    Now said "top 10 point guard" needs to come off the bench and Beverley should be starting. Ha!

    Then why did they make the trade when all they needed was a Marcus Thornton? :rolleyes:

    Just gonna leave this JG posts here.

     
  7. h-townfan

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    Didn't McHale say before the season started he would have Harden in more catch and shoot situations with Lawson handling the ball? I'd love to see more Lawson and Howard PnR as a wrinkle to the offense.
     
  8. ibm

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    6 pages in, i already forgot what the op wanted to discuss. sorry.

    but ty lawson so far has not had any significant "effect" on the team. those with high hopes when got him may be a bit disappointed. but again, we have cf's here calling him "one of the best pg's in the league".
     
  9. conquistador#11

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    all the contenders have a version of the Pick and roll, a play that makes modern nba players clueless when it comes to how to defend it. yet, we still don't use it enough. the only time we went heavy pnr was asik,parsons, lin and harden's first year. After that, it truly became go to the corner and watch. harden and howard are above the pick and roll. post ups, step back threes! as long as they're hitting them, it's no biggie.
     
  10. JayGoogle

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    Why thank you JR!

    I'll add onto that that I'm not opposed to bringing Lawson off the bench. The problem I have is that when people suggest it they do so with the caveat that "He can't work with Harden."

    So this isn't even the 6th man role. The 6th man role is that he may not start but he'll still play starting minutes and he'll be ending games. What a lot are suggesting is some bit role.

    Lawson plays 38 mins now, probably too much but my guess is it won't decrease by much during the year. That means there will be times he's on the floor with Harden. Basically at the start and at the end of games. They can't avoid each other for entire games.

    He's not Harden's sub. We all know Harden is a combo guard so the easy solution here is that Harden combo's his way to a more traditional SG role while Ty is on the court. That was the plan right?

    But man this is all a moot point because if you go back and watch last game for instance even when Harden was on the bench Lawson would just stand beyond the 3 point line.
     
  11. Easy

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    There are plenty of PnR variations where all five guys are involved. You are just thinking about ISO PnR which is a 2-man game.

    If they are really as you say "not good" in that secondary role (which I don't believe), then Morey is dumb in acquiring Lawson unless he is just another trade asset. It's like the Asik situation all over again.
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    Lawson needs to and most likely will shoot much better. His % even on wide open shots are just abnormal. So unless there is a serious physical ailment we don't know about, he should return to his norm at some point.
     
  13. MistaK

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    Currently everyone's % on wide open shots is pretty abnormal (except for MT):(

    I don't know what it is with this team..probably a combination of chemistry, Ty & Harden just taking turns initiating the offense rather than running the offense together, players being out of position,...

    ....Sooner or later everyone on this team most likely will and should shoot much better.
     
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    It wasn't dumb at all. He is just not being used correctly.
     
  15. Haymitch

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    Next year Llull/Harden will be great!
     
  16. FLASH21

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    We assured that guy would never come to Houston once we traded for Lawson.

    You think he's going to leave the Spanish/Euro Leagues to become Pat or Ty's backups... from starter to 3rd stringer, yeah.
     
  17. Haymitch

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    We don't know for sure if Ty will be here next year.
     
  18. Newlin

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    Eight games is a very small sample size. Not pushing the panic button two weeks into the season.
     
  19. conquistador#11

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    The only reason curry might work is because he can find a shot off the ball. But who will set these imaginary picks though?
    howard would be like, "you see these shoulders? I can't risk hurting these babies." Jones? He would be to busy waiving his hand looking for a shot to stomp the rim with. Harden? he is already setting picks for khloe, tiresome. Curry would be so much easier to defend under mchale. It's still fun thinking about a curry as a rocket though.

    Demo is our best willing screen setter and p&r defender. =( so missed.
     
  20. OpenLayup-Why3?

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    This is the Ty Lawson that played in Lithuania during lockout. Careful, not driving to the basket, being useless. Reasoning for that was that he didn't want to get injured before returning to the NBA. When lockout was over and he knew he was playing last game in Lithuania - he put up a monster performance.
    I don't know if he's trying not to get injured here too, so that Morey doesn't cut his second year. All I know he's not a professional basketball player, even though he plays at pro level.
     

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