well since you don't seem to know much about socialism, there are so many branches of socialism you can't say someone isn't socialist just because their economic plan isn't how YOU define mainstream socialism. Obama still believes in redistribution of wealth, single payer health care, and government control of industry. What part of that ISN'T socialism? I don't think that Obama is full on Marxist, or atleast he is smart enough not to give us enough ammo to know he is, however he definitely has a socialist agenda.
You are very misinformed. Please show me the link where Obama is proposing single payer health care. Please show me what industry the govt. is controlling under Obama that wasn't the case before. It's not what I define as Socialism. It's what socialism actually is. You have accused Obama of a bunch of crap that isn't accurate. You don't understand what socialism is, or the health care reform bill.
well try as you might to deny the fact that Obama wants single payer health care here is video evidence with the words coming straight out of his mouth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk I'm sure you will find a way to dispute the Video as being somehow taken out of context or doctored, your type always does. I'm not sure how you are arguing that Obamas administration isn't trying to control industry. I can already hear you argument to what I am about to type, but here it goes anyway. What buisness does the Federal Government have telling PRIVATE BANKS how much they can pay their Execs? I understand that they recieved TARP money, but lets put it in terms easier to understand. If I go to a bank and get a small buisness loan the bank has an inherant intrest in the success of my company. Meaning if my buisness fails and I default they lose out. Agreed? Does that give the bank the right to tell me how much I can pay my employees? That makes no sense.
Well models around the world show that single payer is better, and while both Obama and I like the idea, that isn't how Obama has governed. Yes when you get a loan from the bank they will want to see your business plan, and if you plan to use the money for the loan in a way that they believe is risky or foolish you won't get it. They do have a say.
Not once they have given you the loan they don't. If they wanted a say it should have been part of the contract for recieving TARP money. Just curious how many TOP execs do you think you are going to attract when you are paying CONSIDERABLY less money than most other companies? A great exec is worth their weight in gold, why would you not want the best? The truth is that this administrations handling of the banking industry is anti-free market. to argue otherwise is laughable.
Really, go ask Canada how it's working out for them. In 2007 the average wait time between seeing your family doctor and getting an appointment with a specialist in Ontario was 15weeks... and that was the shortest in the country. Just to put that in perspective my wife saw a Doctor last week and has an MRI this week. Once you saw a specialist there was still a 7.3 week wait period between consultation and treatment (again Ontario, shortest in country). so lets say you get diagnosed with Aplastic Aenemia, a potentialy fatal blood disorder. There is no way your family dr would be able to diagnose it, so you wait 15 weeks, if you're lucky, for diagnosis as you red blood count dips lower and lower. If you're lucky enough to still be alive you get to wait another 7.3 weeks before you actually start your treatment. BTW Aplastic Aenemia has a very high survivability rate when caught at an early stage. too bad you had to wait 4 months. Here is an interesting article for you to read about the almighty single payer system. It is a bit dated but I guarantee you it has gotten worse not better. http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
It's working out better in Canada than it is in the U.S. They are ranked 30, while the US is ranked 37. Cost per person spent on health care in CAnada is much less than it is in the U.S.
The only reason Obama hasn't "goverened" that way as you put it, is because he knows that he can't just "get" a single payer system. That is why he has spoken on NUMEROUS occasions about phasing it in. He is not a revolutionary, he is a progresivist. You know you really should do your research before you debate with me. It really shows your ignorance when you don't even look at the facts before you try and dispute my claims.
This thread has totally gone off track. That said, I hope Pop Rox is consistent and is against the bank bailouts, medicare, social security, welfare, unemployment benefits, minimum wage, the federal highway system, child labor laws, public schools, osha regulations... I was against the bailouts and wanted financial Armageddon to come so we could start over right, but that's just me.
I wouldn't go that far, but I am against MOST social programs. I don't mind my tax payer money going to some social programs though. You don't have to be one extreme or the other to be consistant. of the ones you listed though, I am for bank bailouts because of the whole Financial Armagedon thing, but I am not for the Govt making the rules after the fact. I think Social Security is a joke and poorly run, just look at Galveston's option it actually makes sense. I am against long term welfare and unemployment. I am against the Federal Minimum Wage, for the federal highway system, for child labor laws (in our country), I believe that you should be able to opt out of public school and put your child in private school on a voucher program or a significantly reduced tax rate. I am for the idea of OSHA but think they go WAY overboard. ... if you ever see me contradict any of those things please call me on it.. I don't think you will though.
Including Obama not wanting single payer? I'm happy to say that I don't have to put "Pretty Much" infront of my statement.
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Why don't you go back to the Soviet Union, you filthy socialist pig? We don't want your kind here in America.
